wagner Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Finally got this up, love doing this article each year. I try to pick stuff that has a cool story, great owner, or is just different. http://www.streetlegaltv.com/features/car-features/goodguys-ppg-nationals-our-top-ten-favorites-from-this-past-summer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Ken came to cars and coffee with the 1958 once. Nice guy and a solidly fun car. Nice job on the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Alex- Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Love the Chevelle and Camaro. Pro Street needs to make a comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Love the Chevelle and Camaro. Pro Street needs to make a comeback. I'm doing a full feature on the Camaro for dragzine, and I have a twin turbo 67 nova I'm doing one on too. Pro street is one of my favorite styles, even more so now with the modern technology being added. Big ass power with the ability for it to be driven about anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Orange Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Great article Brian. Nice to see an eclectic group of cars instead of the "me too" cars that everyone builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudiOn19s Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Love that wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Love that wagon. Yes, that wagon is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Great article Brian. Nice to see an eclectic group of cars instead of the "me too" cars that everyone builds. That's what I try to look for, stuff that is just slightly different, or has lots of owner input. Love that wagon. I'm going to try and pitch the car as a feature because its so bad ass. He is putting a cage in it right now so he can run it full tilt at the track. And when I say putting a cage in it, he is tucking it in so tight on the inside you really can't see it except for the x-bars in the back. Pretty sure when he turns it up the fucker makes over 1k to the tire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0n8 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Love that wagon. Yes, that wagon is perfect. +1 Stupid question...What's the difference between Pro Street & Pro Touring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) +1 Stupid question...What's the difference between Pro Street & Pro Touring? Pro Street grew out of the Street machine Drag car movement of the 1970's to be basically street legal "pro-stock" style drag cars. Hallmarks are huge tubbed rears with 33" wide tires and narrowed rear ends. In the 1990's it go so out of hand that that it was jokingly called "Pro-Fairground" as guys began to tub otherwise stock cars. I'm talking 13 second cars with huge rear tires, parachutes, and wheelie bars that did nothing but rumble from the show field to the snack bar and back. Pro Touring grew out of the backlash against pro-street in the 1990's (although you can probably trace its roots back to Trans Am road racers, Gymkana, and Mullholland racers of the 1970's). Basically it was setting a muscle car up to not just go and stop but turn as well. I think Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator was a big boost to this movement in the 1990's as it put cars through a well rounded series of paces with auto-x, dragstrip, braking, and skid pad tests. this is a pro-street car: and this is a pro touring car: http://image.superchevy.com/f/59523166+w640+h426+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0/1970-chevy-nova-front-three-quarter.jpg These categories are some what fluid because there were also things like "pro-street" racing classes in the 1990s that started with legit pro street cars (back halved stock steel bodied cars) like this (Pat Musi's popeye camaro): http://www.geocities.ws/kotenberger/popeye_camaro.jpg and ended with tube chassis cars that were maybe 1 or two steps down from a pro mod car like this (also pat musi's popeye camaro): http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/WorldStreetnationals2004/PatMusiPopeyeCamaro.jpg any questions? Edited December 1, 2015 by Geeto67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Gen Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Guess my old 1964 Deuce (previous car) would not hold a candle to the 65 deuce wagon. Mine had a 192 CI in-line 6 that had to be in wet gravel to spin a tire.. As for the article great variety and like all of the cars (OK not necessarily the "Gasser"). Keep up the nice work Waggz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil8 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 That 63 is Hawt sawse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFo Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Will this constitute pro street? http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af40/ted_kennedy/0C136573-33FF-4260-8126-E7EF999ECEDA_zpsj8yxujqs.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Where does "Super Stock" fit into those categories? And "Pro Stock", which i know is big money racing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Will this constitute pro street? Depends: is it a street car? do you spend all day polishing it from a lawn chair while it is parked on grass? Do you have one of those stuffed crying kids (I just learned they are called time out dolls) leaning up against the bumper? Is it 1990? If you answered yes to 3 of the 4 questions then you might have a pro-street. Thats a nice setup though, what car is it under? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFo Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 66 Mercury Cyclone. It's got a few goodies. Hopefully Wags will be taking some pics of it soon. http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af40/ted_kennedy/48C90F73-1663-44F3-BA38-315112272246_zpsky7pmwxr.jpg http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af40/ted_kennedy/BE44AC83-15DD-4F3D-91F8-AB90CCF2992C_zpsagmh5tli.jpg http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af40/ted_kennedy/5111D98B-627F-47D7-A427-DB11B7A4899B_zps2p71t0hd.jpg http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af40/ted_kennedy/8388FDD4-90AF-458E-8F56-6BE639729C64_zpskxqbgfur.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Where does "Super Stock" fit into those categories? And "Pro Stock", which i know is big money racing.... Those are NHRA classes of racing. Pro Stock is the "factory hot rod" class that the cars usued to be based on production cars. Now they are tube chassis science experiments that take very smart people to make go very fast. Usually running in the 6 second range using a N/A small block. Super Stock is a class that allows for back halfed race cars (think real wheel drive converted front wheel drive cars) to compete in "class" type racing. Cars must have a full interior and are limited to how they can modify certain aspects of the car. Super Stock and Stock are two of the toughest classes in all of drag racing. You have to be one hell of a wheelman, know how to tune the car front to back, and know how to modify the car to fit in the rules and still kick ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Those are NHRA classes of racing. Pro Stock is the "factory hot rod" class that the cars usued to be based on production cars. Now they are tube chassis science experiments that take very smart people to make go very fast. Usually running in the 6 second range using a N/A small block. Super Stock is a class that allows for back halfed race cars (think real wheel drive converted front wheel drive cars) to compete in "class" type racing. Cars must have a full interior and are limited to how they can modify certain aspects of the car. Super Stock and Stock are two of the toughest classes in all of drag racing. You have to be one hell of a wheelman, know how to tune the car front to back, and know how to modify the car to fit in the rules and still kick ass. Thanks. I never really understood the classes. My cousin has raced Super Stock (D Mod) for a very long time, has been IHRA and NHRA champion multiple times. David Watson is his name. Runs an engine building shop in Sarahsville, "Watson Ruppel Performance". You might have seen him at some events, Wags. One of the only guys left that races with a manual tranny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Thanks. I never really understood the classes. My cousin has raced Super Stock (D Mod) for a very long time, has been IHRA and NHRA champion multiple times. David Watson is his name. Runs an engine building shop in Sarahsville, "Watson Ruppel Performance". You might have seen him at some events, Wags. One of the only guys left that races with a manual tranny. Yeah, most of the fast guys dont use a clutch anymore, but there are a lot of guys who run a Liberty or a G-force depending on the class they are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Where does "Super Stock" fit into those categories? And "Pro Stock", which i know is big money racing.... Going to assume this is a serious question. Here are the breakdowns of NHRA racing classes. http://www.nhra.com/nhra101/classes.aspx Super Stock and Pro-Stock are NHRA racing classes. Any Pro-Street racing class wasn't really an NHRA racing class but was covered more by events like NCMA's Fastest street car challenge in the 1990's. Even now you are likely to see a pro-street car in the super street class in NHRA. to be honest I don't actually know if there is a current class called "pro-street". there are a lot of books on the subject but for brevity's sake I ma just going to rattle off a top of the head informal history that is probably mostly accurate. Think of early 1960's super stock as the grand daddy of modern regular body race and street cars. In the early 1960's from Super Stock you got Afx altered wheelbase cars and then "funny cars", but also Pro stock and Gas ("Gasser")classes. Super Stock was one of the top classes for stock cars in the 1960's and it wasn't uncommon to find the MFGs and dealerships sponsoring guys like "dyno" don nicholson, Phil Bonner, Arnie "The farmer" beswick, Gas Rhonda, Danny "On the Gas" Ongais...etc. Despite the sponsor backing it was still an "open class" and anybody with a car could enter. Race cars looked like this: http://image.superchevy.com/f/38660838+w640+h640+q80+re0+cr1+st0/sucs-110049-years-52-1962-dyno-don-nicholson-409-bel-air.jpg As more money got poured in the classes changed to keep up with the money and you got Factory Expiremental (Afx) classes where you started to see things get wild like factory lightweight and altered wheelbase cars. Race cars started looking like this right around 1964.... and evolved into the tube frame floppers we know as "funny cars" by 1969: http://www.draglist.com/artman2/uploads/2/2_16.jpg Since the dealers couldn't really compete with Chevy and mother mopar they pushed the pro stock classes because that was the closest to what they sold on the dealer lot, leaving Super Stock to be a largely privateer class. by the end of the 1960's and well into the 1970s pro stock cars looked like this: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=352646&stc=1&d=1333139664 http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/SoxnMartin_1000.jpg However by the late 1970's early 1980's pro stock cars started to look like this http://www.angelfire.com/tx/fuelcarfan/outlaws/outlawimages/marriottps2.JPG Some say this style of chassis came from the gasser classes which had started as Super Stock cars but were restricted to running pump gas. Back in the 1960's there wasn't a lot of prohibition on "exotic fuels" so a class that forbid them was novel. My father still tells the story of when he was running his 409 in super stock and blew the manifold off the engine because he was running hydrazine and stalled the car pulling to allowing it to pool in the manifold. Upon restart....boom...2 four barrels through the hood. I think Ohio George Montgomery's Malco Gasser is the origin of the Species: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tyS1ikwX--/875043449641960002.jpg As is common, street cars tended to mimic the race cars. in the mid 1970's your average pro-stock car looked like this: http://www.dragracingonline.com/agent1320/2006/images/Sox_Martin.jpg and your average "street machine" looked like this: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2013/06/full-205-5103-imag1672_1.jpg however by the 1980's pro stockers looked like this: http://image.hotrod.com/f/61600219+w660+h495+cr1/restored-reher-morrison-racing-engines-camaros.jpg and "Pro street" was the attempt to make the street car like the race car and you started to see this http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/prostreet21.jpg what was really interesting about pro-street in the 1980s was that the street rod movement was going on at the same time and the camp divided into two types of "pro street" cars. The "Pro Fairground" cars like those built by Rick Dobbertin and Troy Trepainer http://image.hotrod.com/f/46260695+w660+h495+cr1/hrdp-1306-02-z%2B25-years-of-troy-trepaniers-greatest-hits-in-his-own-words%2B1966-chevy-chevelle.jpg and the "fastest street car" movement where people thought these should be pro stock cars with lights and license plates: so that's the basic idea. Street machines and Pro Street are street car versions of Pro Stock race cars from different eras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yup, was a serious question. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil8 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 The best Pro Street car ever was built in Dayton in EssFo's neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Alex- Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 The best Pro Street car ever was built in Dayton in EssFo's neighborhood. Cheese Whiz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 66 Mercury Cyclone. It's got a few goodies. Hopefully Wags will be taking some pics of it soon. ] Holy fucksticks that is a nice car. Love the stack injection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Gen Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Love the 1962 Chevy Bubble top (Biscayne).. Dad has one of these with a 409 in Roman Red and took about 8 years to restore. Black & White picture do not do that body style justice.. Need to grab a couple pics and post them up.. Really need to grab something I can wrench on again.. Miss the smell of burnt/dirty oil and being sore from being contorted under/on to the engine bay (I know sounds wrong).. Pic below is exactly like his (4 Speed too) Edited December 2, 2015 by Second Gen .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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