o0n8 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Car & Driver Article Cliff's: Mazda filed a patent for new gen rotary 23% Larger Turbo Charge 180 degree flip on orientation for turbo placement and lower placement in crossmember C&D states 400+ hp, should be more efficient and should have bettter low rpm tq http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mazda-SkyActiv-R-patent-application_lead-626x383.png http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Mazda-RX-Vision-concept-103-STOKLOSA-876x535-626x382.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grudes Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I heard they were coming out with another RX series car at some point. It will be pretty cool if this one is more reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 In today's world I can't see a torqueless wonder that eats oil and probably gets 20 hwy MPG succeeding against the vast array of sports cars out there with traditional, torquey motors that are more fuel efficient than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Littleguy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hopefully we can use some of the patent drawings to start making up an LS swap kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Hopefully we can use some of the patent drawings to start making up an LS swap kit. lol. Would E85 help emissions on this thing? I know it would burn more fuel, but ethanol became mainstream AFTER the Mazda rotary died. I know - ideally - it still burns oil. But so does diesel...maybe there's a urea injection solution for this thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 lol. Would E85 help emissions on this thing? I know it would burn more fuel, but ethanol became mainstream AFTER the Mazda rotary died. I know - ideally - it still burns oil. But so does diesel...maybe there's a urea injection solution for this thing.... As if a rotary needs any help getting worse gas mileage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 If gas stays below $2.50/gal for a while, it shouldn't be that expensive to run it, even with increased fuel consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 If gas stays below $2.50/gal for a while, it shouldn't be that expensive to run it, even with increased fuel consumption. In a vacuum it's not a bad thing, but when you're comparing to cylinder-deactivation equipped V8s with gobs of torque and tuning ability that can still get mid-high 20s HWY, it's a tough sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 No hybrid planned to help gas milage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Don't most rotaries need a rebuild before 100k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 In today's world I can't see a torqueless wonder that eats oil and probably gets 20 hwy MPG succeeding against the vast array of sports cars out there with traditional, torquey motors that are more fuel efficient than ever. I hope they build it but this is why I think it won't work. Even my Fiesta with it's little 1.6 made over 200lb/ft and I averaged 31.5mpg in the city with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Emissions and fuel efficiency are the downfall of the rotary. They can make plenty of torque with turbos compared to other smaller motors. I'm not holding my breath, but the concept car was gorgeous in my opinion and I'm always happy to hear that Mazda is continuing development of the rotary platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 If gas stays below $2.50/gal for a while, it shouldn't be that expensive to run it, even with increased fuel consumption. The people that could afford a 400hp mazda probably wouldn't be so concerned about it, but their CAFE or whatever might be? Emissions and economy are killing all kinds of fun stuff, meanwhile volcanoes still erupt, cows still fart, and china & india still have millions of super-polluting 2-stroke scooters. RIP rotary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1647545492 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I hope they make it on the looks alone they will sell. As per the rotary thing its seems like the design department knocks it out of the park to make up for the perceived weakness of the motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) No way they have a 400hp rotary only setup. I imagine it will be hybrid, best case. Worst case? The motor is basically a backup to the electric motor, ie; like the Prius or Volt, though with more performance, of course. Don't forget, the rotary is actually very good running at a low rpm making it perfect for this kinda thing. The only thing that makes me doubt this is the boner they seem to have for their skyactiv tech and staying away from electric. I'm not sure that's possible in the future. Edited April 8, 2016 by ImUrOBGYN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 No way they have a 400hp rotary only setup. I imagine it will be hybrid, best case. Worst case? The motor is basically a backup to the electric motor, ie; like the Prius or Volt, though with more performance, of course. Don't forget, the rotary is actually very good running at a low rpm making it perfect for this kinda thing. The only thing that makes me doubt this is boner they seem to have for their skyactiv and staying away from electric. I'm not sure that's possible in the future. All very very good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Gen Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 The article I read was a dual turbo using electric for low and a normal one for higher RPMs. Supposed to be more torque (Unsure what more might be) and 450 HP.. That was a AU article (can't recall where). Hoping, but like Smokey not holding my breath.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furloaf Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 No way they have a 400hp rotary only setup. I imagine it will be hybrid, best case. Worst case? The motor is basically a backup to the electric motor, ie; like the Prius or Volt, though with more performance, of course. Don't forget, the rotary is actually very good running at a low rpm making it perfect for this kinda thing. The only thing that makes me doubt this is boner they seem to have for their skyactiv and staying away from electric. I'm not sure that's possible in the future. It's a 1.6L turbocharged so I don't think 400hp is a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrntd Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 For a rotary car to sell it needs to be in a real light weight chassis. So the benefits of the light motor carry on to the entire car. There are too many big-ish cars that get 15-20mpg with more power. A sleek body the size of the show car only makes sense with a hybrid motor. Rotarys are great for this application in the kind on design as in the Volt not the Prius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 It's a 1.6L turbocharged so I don't think 400hp is a stretch. You misunderstood my line of thinking. I'll elaborate. I do think 400hp is attainable. What I'm not so sure about is them using only the turbo rotary for that power. Can it do it? Yes. Sure it could. But can it do it and still meet the requirements for fuel mileage, driveability, and emissions without the aid of something electric? I don't really doubt they can't throw some new tech at it and make it viable. It's just fun speculating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowHBK Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Don't most rotaries need a rebuild before 100k? all depends on how you use them. If you baby them and don't thrash them then they can last longer, but if you thrash them and red line before every gear change then they will degrade sooner. The reason for most (not all but most) rebuilds are the wearing down of the apex seals which typically last ~100k miles. My current engine has about 75k in its seals, so a rebuild is likely for me within a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 all depends on how you use them. If you baby them and don't thrash them then they can last longer, but if you thrash them and red line before every gear change then they will degrade sooner. The reason for most (not all but most) rebuilds are the wearing down of the apex seals which typically last ~100k miles. My current engine has about 75k in its seals, so a rebuild is likely for me within a year or so. Rolls of duct tape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 all depends on how you use them. If you baby them and don't thrash them then they can last longer, but if you thrash them and red line before every gear change then they will degrade sooner. The reason for most (not all but most) rebuilds are the wearing down of the apex seals which typically last ~100k miles. My current engine has about 75k in its seals, so a rebuild is likely for me within a year or so. Don't you remember the saying about rx7's? A redline a day keeps the mechanic away. Running them too easy can kill them too due to carbon buildup. Rotaries can be very reliable, there are people out there with >200k miles on their rotary. The big secret is keeping up on maintenance on them (and they are maintenance whores). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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