El Karacho1647545492 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 He's just parroting the false flag conspiracy loudmouths. I wish we could have mandatory remedial critical thinking classes to help out with shit like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Video is owned by Mandalay Bay, why do you think you have a right to see what someone else was doing on private property? Just because someone was accused of a crime? Innocent until proven guilty. That's why they do the investigation. That's why they don't comment. That's why they don't release evidence unless it's entered into the public record or assists in investigations that have otherwise run their course. Alright then I guess since it's in Mandalay Bays best interest, we will just assume they severely fucked up by letting some random dude somehow sneak in 20+ guns. I guess that's better than showing video evidence of them severely fucking up. Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 He's just parroting the false flag conspiracy loudmouths. What did I say that's backing a conspiracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Alright then I guess since it's in Mandalay Bays best interest, we will just assume they severely fucked up by letting some random dude somehow sneak in 20+ guns. I guess that's better than showing video evidence of them severely fucking up. Thanks for the clarification. I would love for you to explain to me, in any terms shy of the shooter walking through the hotel with an obvious restricted (SBR, etc) firearm, how Mandalay Bay could have been negligent. Open carry is permitted in Nevada. He could've walked through the lobby with every single gun on display and it would be perfectly legal for him to have done so. The NRA has worked very hard to ensure that. Mandalay Bay has a no firearms policy, but it's private property and all they could charge him with is trespassing if they know about the guns. I suppose if they setup metal detectors at every entrance and screened every single guest, they could've prevented this. I'm sure you would love to book a stay in a hotel that did that, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I would love for you to explain to me, in any terms shy of the shooter walking through the hotel with an obvious Class III firearm, how Mandalay Bay could have been negligent. Open carry is permitted in Nevada. He could've walked through the lobby with every single gun on display and it would be perfectly legal for him to have done so. The NRA has worked very hard to ensure that. Mandalay Bay has a no firearms policy, but it's private property and all they could charge him with is trespassing if they know about the guns. I suppose if they setup metal detectors at every entrance and screened every single guest, they could've prevented this. I'm sure you would love to book a stay in a hotel that did that, right? I'm simply asking questions man. I don't know all the details, that's why I'm raising questions. Sorry if I tried to put blame on Mandalay, you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Gump 9 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Last time I was there, there were security guards at the elevators going up to the rooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm simply asking questions man. I don't know all the details, that's why I'm raising questions. Sorry if I tried to put blame on Mandalay, you're right. Someone admitting fault on CR? Stop the thread, CR has peaked, time to shut 'er down. I'm not some sort of staunch defender of Mandalay Bay, I exaggerate to make the point that assuming fault, assuming what is deserved, and assuming motivations of anyone (shooter, victims, gub'mnt, etc) is foolish at this point. Everyone exhale, spend your time being introspective rather than accusatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 The fuck is this? Just leaving evidence for people to film? Why wouldn't they take the gun? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 The fuck is this? Just leaving evidence for people to film? Why wouldn't they take the gun? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Step 1 in the chain of custody is to preserve every detail possible of the crime scene. You don't move anything until it's been totally logged and evaluated by all jurisdictions. Likely FBI and SS are involved, so everyone needs to see everything. Probably be days before they move anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Beard Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Not to mention I'm sure the entire area is under heavy security as well. Doubt anyone would get very far with snagging any evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 A professional agency can have that place logged and laser diagramed within a few hours. Zero reason to leave it in that condition, especially when you have Paps roaming around Huh, "Bild Exclusive / Polaris" isn't any official agency I've ever heard of. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Unless there was LEO shooting back with autos..... the first minute of this video is weird https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf7HObspB0 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrodh Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Alright then I guess since it's in Mandalay Bays best interest, we will just assume they severely fucked up by letting some random dude somehow sneak in 20+ guns. I guess that's better than showing video evidence of them severely fucking up. Thanks for the clarification. I haven't even been to Vegas but know the amount of trade shows and large events they do. Infact I was with a vendor representative today that frequents Vegas and says it was not uncommon for him to take two trips to his room with a loaded up bell cart for a show he was doing this week. I mean you could probably fit 20 guns in this trunk... Not to mention pretty much every gun out there can be dismantled to take up even less space (especially length) http://www.rhinotrunkandcase.com/products-capabilities/rhino-travel-wardrobe-trunks/ He honestly could have made one trip potentially. But noone would even blink and eye with him bringing up bulky luggage, etc. its Vegas there are trade shows and events all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammit Charlie Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I've heard/seen about 8 different video/audio clips. Sometimes the gun fire sounds like it has a perfect cadence as if it were full aut. Other times it seems to slow down too much to be an actual machine gun (might be crank/binary/bump). But then there are other times where the cadence is consistent and then slows down a little or sped up a little. I want to point out that it is completely normal for some Machineguns to vary a little. Most M16's with rifle length systems will start off slow and then speed up regarding ROF when you do a mag dump and the ejection pattern will move like a sprinkler. Also, an M60 (and maybe other belt Feds) can also have a varied ROF. Also, the pop from the echoes makes it hard to determine. And one definitely sounded like an AK. I'm very interested to see what guns he actually used as I heard there were 8-10. I agree, it definitely had the sound of an AK at one point. The back and forth rate of fire had me thinking it was a bumpfire stock setup or a crank setup. Also, based on the firearms and equipment they've shown this guy put a lot of thought and resources in to this attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Gump 9 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 The Mfer is a multi millionaire, living his retirement life as a professional gambler. Spending $30k a day, so money is not an issue here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewtoys Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 He's just parroting the false flag conspiracy loudmouths. False flag Info wars False flag Info wars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 TIL: Nobody wears suits anymore. Hmmm... Strong Morals. Strong sense of American pride. New G1 Corvette. Dinner on table when I get off work. So less rights for literally everyone, less technology, etc. and so forth? Gotcha. Fact is, in spite of what pundits push, America was not better "back in the good ol' days". Not that I care to get into a big debate but America is not worse off now than it was back then. The ability to support a family on one income. National GDP that was triple (or more) the next most developed nation in the world. 1 enemy (communism). We started going to war against the real enemy, brown people. You could beat your wife in front of your kids and no one would say anything. Abortion was illegal. People of color knew their place. No seat belt laws. "Duck and Cover" atom bomb drills. The Red Menace. Full service gas stations. Ice cream shops. Truly, halcyon days. Fixed your screen name for ya. Thank me later. No charge. If there are accomplices or other leads they want some time with the evidence to follow up on that before the public begins to interfere or jump to conclusions. Remember also, jury pools are pulled from the public and just in case they have to put someone else on trial they want to be able to do that without their jury pool being tainted by incorrect assumptions, conclusions, and other issues. WHEW! Glad that NEVER happens regardless of what's released! For real though, I'm no conspiracy theorist but some of the videos and images leaking are pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Oh, and this video is gonna blow up soon: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Regarding the NFA gun community (machine guns, suppressors, SBR, SBS). One thing that happened as a conspiracy theory was the notion that HPA and the SHARE Act were getting really close to having significant movement and or momentum and that this shooting has shelved one/both likely causing them to lose all momentum. For those that don't know, these bills/movements would make suppressors easier to obtain. Now, we know the shooter wasn't using suppressors. But there are implications of a stronger/higher death toll if he were (in the initial rounds fired). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Alright then I guess since it's in Mandalay Bays best interest, we will just assume they severely fucked up by letting some random dude somehow sneak in 20+ guns. I guess that's better than showing video evidence of them severely fucking up. Thanks for the clarification. I've taken many an SBR into a hotel in the bottom of a duffle bag. And wasn't the guy there for a few weeks? That's enough time to easily accumulate a couple dozen guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Unless there was LEO shooting back with autos..... the first minute of this video is weird https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf7HObspB0 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk While this vid doesn't tell much about the shooter, it takes average people in America and has them on video with how they react to chaos. It's frustrating to watch and listen too. And it makes me think we need to do better at reporting details to law enforcement. The campaign of "see something, say something" is a good start, but people don't seem to know what to look for and don't look. With 3-4 people in that car, no one seemed to be giving aid to the girl said to have a broken leg. No one was trying to report the situation with detail to the police within this group of people. Granted, there had been roughly 7 minutes that had passed when the shooting was no longer heard, and maybe they had reported something. Media reports the weapons had flash suppressors. That rate of fire, which seems to have been from a bumpfire stock, would not suppress flash, nor is it meant to completely hide the flash. Most are designed to aid in muzzle control allowing the gas escaping the barrel to go in a direction to allow the shooter to be back on target faster. It seems non of the weapons were modified, other than the bumpfire stock. Given it was at night and there are gold reflective windows, a room with a broken window and lights on would stick out in the dark. Even if lights were off, the flash would be easier seen, like someone turning the lights on and off. Had the windows not been broken out as much as they were, I think the shooter would have concealed the position better from outside observation. I'm just thinking this out, and saying some things surely don't add up. The public can do better at getting info reported, but will need to be told not to exaggerate. Such as the Walmart shooting in Beaver creek, Ohio a few years ago. The shooter wired $100K the Philippines for his girlfriend. Oddly, the shooters brother simply says that him sending $100k "really isn't that much money". The brother also says that the shooter is the reason he is well off and that he was generous with his money. Vagas has the shooter in their "High Roller" comp catagory as well. $100k is living pretty large in the Philippines, and could have been done as him knowing he was going to do a final stand and wanting her to be well off. BTW, it sounds like she has been located and brought back to the US. Reports say she landed in LA and was being escorted. Maybe she can say what the motive was. Is she the same lady that was at the concert, that was telling people they are all going to die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Is she the same lady that was at the concert, that was telling people they are all going to die? No, it's been confirmed that she was out of the country at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS_Sonoma Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Regarding the NFA gun community (machine guns, suppressors, SBR, SBS). One thing that happened as a conspiracy theory was the notion that HPA and the SHARE Act were getting really close to having significant movement and or momentum and that this shooting has shelved one/both likely causing them to lose all momentum. For those that don't know, these bills/movements would make suppressors easier to obtain. Now, we know the shooter wasn't using suppressors. But there are implications of a stronger/higher death toll if he were (in the initial rounds fired). Agreed. The last time the HPA was due to be voted on, a guy was shooting at politicians on the east coast during a retreat, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/las-vegas-shooter-bump-stock-guns_us_59d43bb6e4b06226e3f47ab4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/las-vegas-shooter-bump-stock-guns_us_59d43bb6e4b06226e3f47ab4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 It that a typo or does it really say 800 rounds per minute? Is that possible? that's 13 rounds a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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