hattrix Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 As I stated in the other room...truce. It is dumb for us to fight. We are both intelligent, passionate individuals. Honestely, I have respect for you because you are passionate. I let my passion get the better of me, I apologize. Honestly, this goes to you too Ben. The reality is, we share a bond through biking that many don't. We shouldn't trash that by letting our other passions get the better of us. I say to you both, truce brothers.Oh, and fusion, considering what you have done, especially Air Force, I truely apologize for the "pathetic life" comment. You have done more for this country than I could hope to and I respect what you have done greatly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 As I stated in the other room...truce. It is dumb for us to fight. We are both intelligent, passionate individuals. Honestely, I have respect for you because you are passionate. I let my passion get the better of me, I apologize. Honestly, this goes to you too Ben. The reality is, we share a bond through biking that many don't. We shouldn't trash that by letting our other passions get the better of us. I say to you both, truce brothers.Yeah some of it got carried away. Always up for a debate though. I think in this case it's definitely gone way OT.Oh, and fusion, considering what you have done, especially Air Force, I truely apologize for the "pathetic life" comment. You have done more for this country than I could hope to and I respect what you have done greatly.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB12Ss Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I think you all are wrong. The errosion of our personal freedoms is scary... Smoking bans, helmet laws, trans fats, etc, etc... It's frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudPops Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 OK, here's the real truth. For the past ten plus years that I had an HD I was helmetless. Jump on to a DR-Z400, it's an image thing, matching Icon. The really cool part, my choice! We live in one of the best states of the USA, enjoy and exorcise your freedoms! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomez Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 BUUUULLLLLSSHHHHHIIIIIITTTTThere is NO proof that second hand smoke kills people. Good thing you have a sheep as your icon because that is what you are. Blindly following what they tell you. Ask your doctor to give you the proof that second hand smoke has killed anyone. There is NO credible proof that second hand smoke kills anyone AND the uncredible "proof" is from studies where people are exposed to second hand smoke for very extended periods of time. Offer one SHRED of evidence before you make an assertion that it kills people every day. NOTHING and I MEAN NOTHING says that being exposed to second hand smoke in a bar or restaurant for a couple hours will have ANY lasting effect whatsoever. All I can say to you is BAAAAH BAAAAH! Keep listening to the insurance companies tell you their lies. Seriously, ask your doctor for one study that proves that second hand smoke kills. I promise you, he won't come up with one because one doesn't exist. It is a complete and utter MYTH!!! Not to mention there is PROOF that people get killed by drunk drivers. Honestly, there is more credible evidence to make drinking illegal than smoking!Now it is the politicians? I thought we make the laws?? Hmmm. Politicians, no matter what they say will vote for what gets them votes. If enough people speak out about a law, the politician will vote against it. That is what I am trying to do. Get people like you to understand that it is the politicians and unless you speak out against government taking your freedom, they will keep voting for it. They will vote with the loudest voice.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19502040/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB12Ss Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19502040/Easy. Don't work there... Don't patronize that establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomez Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Easy. Don't work there... Don't patronize that establishment.I never said if I was for or against the bans, I simply provided what he asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB12Ss Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 I'm pretty pissed about their one sided poll! I know I'll calm down, but right now I'm taking this one off the hook.BITCH! You made it personal now by not accepting my vote without an opinion. The Columbus Dispatch is asking for a vote that will not be accepted without an opinion. I gave my opinion without foul language or names, but you all know how opiniated I can get, and mine got canned by some piss ant republican run propoganda newspaer!I'm only getting started.:lol:I just heard a couple people that work in my building bitching about how the Dispatch was a liberal rag... And generally, for the record, Reps are generally against helmet laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB12Ss Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 I never said if I was for or against the bans, I simply provided what he asked for.Wasn't speaking directly at you... Just making a general statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudPops Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 So can we take this back to the issue at hand, helmet laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyen Soljax Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 So can we take this back to the issue at hand, helmet laws?i think the current probationary MC novice period is enough law. it makes a lot of sense even though the people that might be helped by it probably wont wear helmets anyways. we dont need any more laws than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 I vote yes...it only helps us. I rather see us all bitching cause we have to buy a new helmet, than to deal with the image of your head busted on the road for the rest of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanK Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 How about if you decide not to wear a cover and you get in an accident with another vehicle your personal damages against the other vehicle are reduced?Logic behind this? Same as an airbag or seatbelt. If you're not taking precautions it's not the other person's fault; you made the decision.This is already holding up in the courts for drivers. And the insurance companies can make this type of change to your policy without it getting voted on anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomez Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 bingo, this is something insurance companies should handle, not legislatures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorsal Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 yeah Cleaner you may be right...But sometimes we come back!!!I say let those who ride...decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudPops Posted August 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 How about if you decide not to wear a cover and you get in an accident with another vehicle your personal damages against the other vehicle are reduced?Logic behind this? Same as an airbag or seatbelt. If you're not taking precautions it's not the other person's fault; you made the decision.This is already holding up in the courts for drivers. And the insurance companies can make this type of change to your policy without it getting voted on anyway.No Fucking Way! If you caused it, you're responsible. If they caused it why should they have an excuse to blame the victim. If the sun's in my eyes and I blow a redlight, take out a motorcyclist, my fault! It shouldn't matter whether he/she had a helmet on or not. This is exactly the type of logic the insurance lobbyists and government officials are looking for! Get your fucking head out of your ass and fight for the cause of responsibility instead of blame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I actually think the point is the extent of damages. Say you aren't wearing a seat belt (and by law you are required to wear one), but I cause the accident. During the accident however you are eject from the vehicle striking a near by pole and die. If it can be reasonably proven that you would have survived had you been following the law, I can't be held liable for manslaughter. You basically have "dirty hands".The insurance companies look at it similarly I think. You weren't doing what you are supposed when operating the vehicle we aren't giving you shit beyond what would need to be covered had you been wearing your belt...Of course I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanK Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I actually think the point is the extent of damages. Say you aren't wearing a seat belt (and by law you are required to wear one), but I cause the accident. During the accident however you are eject from the vehicle striking a near by pole and die. If it can be reasonably proven that you would have survived had you been following the law, I can't be held liable for manslaughter. You basically have "dirty hands".The insurance companies look at it similarly I think. You weren't doing what you are supposed when operating the vehicle we aren't giving you shit beyond what would need to be covered had you been wearing your belt...Of course I could be wrong.That was exactly what I was saying. I'm in no way trying to take away responsibility, or make anyone have to wear a helmet. I'm actually saying let ALL parties be responsible for the amount of damage caused in the incident. If you get hurt more because of something you weren't doing to protect yourself, it shouldn't be the other person's fault in any case, motorcycle rider or driver.SeanK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxr750girl Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Your right satan I didn't look at as you did! I guess I have seen alot that maybe some have not seen so I thought passing the helmet law would be a good idea! I'm not one for the goverment to say what we can or can't do! I'm thankful that most people are smart enough to put on a helmet when they ride but if they don't go for it! yet I did leave a post under your Wear your fucking helmets! I was a little pissed off when some people said that since they are such great riders they don't need a helmet! Well natural selction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Well, I emailed this thread to the editor today. Here's my email to them:On the website you have a poll posted of whether or not motorcyclists should wear helmets. http://dispatch.com/dispatch/content/local_news/stories/2007/07/25/hotissue_bikers.html?jrl=134677&rfr=nwsl&clk=141162Most of your readers don't even ride, so we posted a poll on our website. It is for motorcyclists in Ohio. http://ohio-riders.net/showthread.php?t=4926Obviously, riders think differently than non-riders. I don't know if this will be of any use to you or not, or if you'll do anything with it. However, I thought it was good food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 we should all wear helmets when we drive our cars too. Hey how about big nerf suits, and the roads could be made out of a soft runnber then nobody would ever get hurt. How did the world ever survive before this issue was brought before us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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