chevysoldier Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 So who has gotten it? What info have you filled out. What do you plan on answering? Name, number in household and age? The Census Bureau derives its power from the United States Constitution. Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 states:Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [Modified by Amendment XIV]. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative;http://blog.pakakuy.com/node/223http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUMurKinTVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 They get the # of people in my house and the ages... that's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Did you consider your cats, people? The US gov't does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Did you consider your cats, people? The US gov't does not.Wait what?! I thought you are supposed to put down all your tax dependents... shitDo you have some white-out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 TITLE 13 - CENSUSCHAPTER 5 - CENSUSESSUBCHAPTER II - POPULATION, HOUSING, AND UNEMPLOYMENT-HEAD-Sec. 141. Population and other census information-STATUTE-(a) The Secretary shall, in the year 1980 and every 10 yearsthereafter, take a decennial census of population as of the firstday of April of such year, which date shall be known as the"decennial census date", in such form and content as he maydetermine, including the use of sampling procedures and specialsurveys. In connection with any such census, the Secretary isauthorized to obtain such other census information as necessary.(b) The tabulation of total population by States under subsection(a) of this section as required for the apportionment ofRepresentatives in Congress among the several States shall becompleted within 9 months after the census date and reported by theSecretary to the President of the United States.(g) As used in this section, "census of population" means acensus of population, housing, and matters relating to populationand housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 They don't need my name to count the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 They don't need my name to count the population.They already have your name.....and your number. You are number to them.Mine showed today, I opened, saw how long the form is, set it back down. I suppose I should look at it and see what it say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Nice tags! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Nice tags! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Sweet vid.... Liberating it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangBruhY Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I can't view the video, but I thought it was only 10 questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchmuckGirl Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 it has subquestions as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 They get the # of people in my house and the ages... that's itThats about all I plan on answering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I don't follow the tin foil hats. The video refers to people knocking at my door. I've never seen these people yet, I'll deal with that if it happens, and wouldn't tell them anything that isn't in the public domain already.I just got the written survey, took 5 minutes to fill it out, and sent it back. There's NOTHING on that form that a gov't agency doesn't already have if you own property, receive a W2 each year, or have State Issued ID card. With the exception of your race, maybe.Regardless, I get the whole standing up for your rights and "If it's not in the Constitution, I don't hafta"-thing, but it's not like they don't already have that information. So I hope you guys aren't disillusioned into thinking that your privacy is being protected by not giving your name when they've already got your address.BTW, looking at the "Matrix News Network" site. Ummm, yea...This is where they link from their "Important Links" site on "News" Citizens For Legitimate Government™ is a multi-partisan activist group established to expose the Bush coup d'etat, and to oppose the Bush occupation in all of its manifestations. Yes, Gore DID win! Make of it what you want, but it seems like some fringe leftist group... to be fair though, they do have a "News for the Right" that links to the Drudgereport.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I don't follow the tin foil hats. The video refers to people knocking at my door. I've never seen these people yet, I'll deal with that if it happens, and wouldn't tell them anything that isn't in the public domain already.I just got the written survey, took 5 minutes to fill it out, and sent it back. There's NOTHING on that form that a gov't agency doesn't already have if you own property, receive a W2 each year, or have State Issued ID card. With the exception of your race, maybe.So if they have that info then explain the reasoning behind answering it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I wonder the same thing.. they could track me if they wanted.I suppose because it allows them to track some 'undocumented people' and it's much easier to convince them to fill it out, if EVERYONE has to fill it out. I really don't know, but it's definitely a good guise if you want to show people you're not singling them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I wonder the same thing.. they could track me if they wanted.I suppose because it allows them to track some 'undocumented people' and it's much easier to convince them to fill it out, if EVERYONE has to fill it out. I really don't know, but it's definitely a good guise if you want to show people you're not singling them out.I could see that. I'm still only gonna answer number and age. maybe put 4th Amendment for everything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Like Pauly said... if you want to just fill out the requirements, fine - but don't think your privacy is protected. I'm guessing that the additional information really just helps them link all their 'databases' together quicker and more accurately.I've got no reason to hide, yet. So, I'll oblige them. Besides, if 200 years from now someone is researching how awesome I am, they can go through census data and find me (seriously though, a lot of people use it for genealogical data as it's made public after 72 years, I believe?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Like Pauly said... if you want to just fill out the requirements, fine - but don't think your privacy is protected. I'm guessing that the additional information really just helps them link all their 'databases' together quicker and more accurately.I've got no reason to hide, yet. So, I'll oblige them. Besides, if 200 years from now someone is researching how awesome I am, they can go through census data and find me (seriously though, a lot of people use it for genealogical data as it's made public after 72 years, I believe?)No it's not that I think the questions being asked they don't already know , but if they do know, why ask? And if they ask stuff other than what is required by law to ask, for population count, what questions will be on the next census? the one after that? And to throw this into the mix, Obama doesn't seem to care about what the Constitution says either."I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the house or the senate." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 What questions will be on the next census? the one after that? 'Slippery slope' arguments are rarely, if ever, valid.And to throw this into the mix, Obama doesn't seem to care about what the Constitution says either."I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the house or the senate."You had to go there.... I'll spare you my rant this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 'Slippery slope' arguments are rarely, if ever, valid.You had to go there.... I'll spare you my rant this time.Just saying, I'm not gonna answer anything other than what I am to required by law. Neither this one or any other.He said it. That's your hero right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I'm sure he did, but 1) He's not my 'hero' and 2) What context was it in? Context is pretty important.Why should he worry about the procedural rules? He's the President, not a Congressman anymore. You don't worry about things outside your job scope do you? I don't worry about what the rules the Finance Dept and Supply Base have to follow when I have to get Engineering tasks done. I do my job, and follow whatever procedures I'm responsible for, outside of that it might matter and something I should be cognizant of, but not something I'm going to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrillo Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Okay, I didn't think this was going to go the tin hat way, I thought I'd be reading a thread about identity security and identity theft. So lets talk about that, go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrillo Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 +1. The FedGov can't even keep our drones from being hacked. Not sure I'm too thrilled with them having access to a bunch of other stuff' date=' too. I know they already gotz it, but if they can't find it... maybe it's for the better.[/quote']I'm more concerned with the methods they're using to obtain the information. I feel more secure passing my information through a secure website than I do through the regular post mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 You gotz beef with your carrier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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