toyota is NOT AT FAULT!!!!

[crf69]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/13/breaking-wsj-says-crash-data-points-to-pedal-misapplication-in/

[Lost]

Misapplication of pedal.

Push the right pedal stupid.

[hue jass]

I remember the Jeep Grand Cherokee one where the transmission hump was so broad that the pedals were way left. People were stabbing their foot where the brake pedal should be but the gas was there instead.

Audi took at ton of heat for the 5000.

In each case it was driver error. Again and again, people are stupid. Your kids kids aren't going to be driving anymore...the car will.

[serpentracer]

I'm telling you guys...mandatory drivers ed every time you renew is the only way to keep idiots off the streets.

[Casper]

I'm telling you guys...mandatory drivers ed every time you renew is the only way to keep idiots off the streets.

I agree with this 100%. And, driver's education should be much more difficult. If the lady at the BMV who doesn't speak English and doesn't understand the street signs can pass, it's too easy.

[kawi kid]

the one guy that works for us his kid just got his license and WOW!! i knew the kid was slow but really? dear god!!!

[chevysoldier]

When I first started driving my tercel, I kept hitting the brake at the same time I tried to hit the clutch. Wasn't used to the pedal placement. Know what I did? I learning where the damn pedals were at!!! Damn people are stupid.

[hue jass]

Long time ago I sold a '73 Mustang to this kid who's Dad worked with my Dad. I never saw worse driving than when I went with him to test drive it. This was just going around the block. A week later he rolled it on 270 near Gahanna. His Dad wanted us to give him half the money back for the car because he said I had rebuilt the suspension and it had failed because the outer tie rod came loose. I went over and saw that the tie rod was bent almost 90° and that was because of the hit. No suspension failure, no sale. I wonder what ever happened to that kid.

[Disclaimer]

He became a lawyer and is suing scheisters like you and your shoddy suspension rebuild jobs.

[hue jass]

Yea, but how's he getting to work.

I'm telling you guys...mandatory drivers ed every time you renew is the only way to keep idiots off the streets.

Great idea, the streets would be empty.

[ReconRat]

The testing was done by Toyota Motor Corporation. They did not investigate electronic failure of the electronic throttle, as a source of the throttle failure.

Edited July 14, 2010 by ReconRat

[SWing'R]

The testing was done by Toyota Motor Corporation. They did not investigate electronic failure of the electronic throttle, as a source of the throttle failure.

Hmmm, the testing was done by Toyota, and Toyota was found to be not at fault, sounds about right

[YSR_Racer_99]

>>Hmmm, the testing was done by Toyota, and Toyota was found to be not at fault, sounds about right <<

Huh? The first sentence says that it was the conclusion by the DOT. So does Toyota get its $16.4 million back that it paid to the government as a "fine"?

I just bought a Toyota without a second thought. Would've bought a Ford without hesitation as well. Won't buy another Chevy or a Chrysler as long as Obama owns them, though. Uh uh.

[SWing'R]

>>Hmmm, the testing was done by Toyota, and Toyota was found to be not at fault, sounds about right <<

Huh? The first sentence says that it was the conclusion by the DOT.

I didn't read the article in the original post, I was simply replying to Recon's post.

[Likwid]

I agree with earlier statements....

mandatory driver's tests.... and make it MORE difficult to retain your license post age 70....

[Zach]

Misapplication of pedal.

Push the right pedal stupid.

They were pushing the right pedal.

It was the left pedal that needed pushed.

[Cheech]

mandatory driver's tests.... and make it MORE difficult to retain your license post age 70....

Bingo. Adopt a more European model: make the license cost WAY more, add additional instruction, and have it good up until age 65. Afterwards, free renewals every 2 years which consist of a refresher course graded by an instructor.

Problem solved until the derp brigade comes out against the European (OMG SOCIALISM!) modeling.

[ReconRat]

Before making changes to something that isn't broken...

The ratio of accidents and/or fatalities for the age group 65-75, is four or five times lower than each of the age groups 16-25, 25-35, 35-45.

I understand that doesn't consider miles driven, but at five times lower, somethings done right.

What needs to be legislated, is a prevention for the drivers that suddenly start having a lot of accidents. Basically the onset of dementia. And if you include drunkenness or lots of tickets, I think we'd find a scattering among all the age groups.

Besides, I think dementia is the middle name of some people on here... just sayin'

[Zach]

Before making changes to something that isn't broken...

The ratio of accidents and/or fatalities for the age group 65-75, is four or five times lower than each of the age groups 16-25, 25-35, 35-45.

I understand that doesn't consider miles driven, but at five times lower, somethings done right.

What needs to be legislated, is a prevention for the drivers that suddenly start having a lot of accidents. Basically the onset of dementia. And if you include drunkenness or lots of tickets, I think we'd find a scattering among all the age groups.

Besides, I think dementia is the middle name of some people on here... just sayin'

Is that number of accidents per age group or percentage of drivers within each age group?

because if it's the former, your data doesn't necessarily support your argument.

[swingset]

Bingo. Adopt a more European model: make the license cost WAY more, add additional instruction, and have it good up until age 65. Afterwards, free renewals every 2 years which consist of a refresher course graded by an instructor.

Problem solved until the derp brigade comes out against the European (OMG SOCIALISM!) modeling.

Or we could just ban women, asians, hippies, VW owners, and guys who still listen to Rush.

They account for 99.99% of all stupid driving incidents.

That way we don't have to do what Europe does, because they are all homos.

[ReconRat]

Is that number of accidents per age group or percentage of drivers within each age group?

because if it's the former, your data doesn't necessarily support your argument.

Since you asked, it's the percentage of fatalities per total fatalities:

Non-fatal accident data is similar.

This is just the US Census fatalities for licensed drivers from 1996:

20 to 24 years old 15.2% - 8,700 (5 years only - equivalent to 30.4% - 17,400 in comparison)

25 to 34 years old 22.6% - 13,000

35 to 44 years old 20.4% - 11,700

45 to 54 years old 12.4% - 7,100

55 to 64 years old 7.1% - 4,100

65 to 74 years old 5.2% - 3,000

75 years old and over 4.9% - 2,800

The at risk groups would be the ones that the percent of total fatalities exceeds the percent of total drivers. There is one group that clearly exceeds all others. The 16 to 24 year old group has 27.3% of the fatalities for 13.5% of the drivers.

The numbers and percentages steadily decline with age. The older you are, the more safer/smarter/skilled you are. Or you are dead already.

Edited July 14, 2010 by ReconRat

[Disclaimer]

>>Hmmm, the testing was done by Toyota, and Toyota was found to be not at fault, sounds about right <<

Huh? The first sentence says that it was the conclusion by the DOT. So does Toyota get its $16.4 million back that it paid to the government as a "fine"?

I just bought a Toyota without a second thought. Would've bought a Ford without hesitation as well. Won't buy another Chevy or a Chrysler as long as Obama owns them, though. Uh uh.

"Socialist" automakers are bad, but you'll buy a Toyota?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/03/2506461.htm

And that's just recently. Toyota was birthed as a "nationalized" company, and has been integrated in some form or another into the Japanese government for decades. But, you don't have an issue with that though, eh?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/badsamaritans.htm

Once upon a time, the leading car maker of a developing country exported its first passenger cars to the US. Up to that day, the little company had only made shoddy products - poor copies of quality items made by richer countries. The car was nothing too sophisticated - just a cheap subcompact (one could have called it 'four wheels and an ashtray'). But it was a big moment for the country and its exporters felt proud. Unfortunately, the product failed. Most thought the little car looked lousy and savvy buyers were reluctant to spend serious money on a family car that came from a place where only second-rate products were made. The car had to be withdrawn from the US market. This disaster led to a major debate among the country's citizens.

Many argued that the company should have stuck to its original business of making simple textile machinery. After all, the country's biggest export item was silk. If the company could not make good cars after 25 years of trying, there was no future for it. The government had given the car maker every opportunity to succeed. It had ensured high profits for it at home through high tariffs and draconian controls on foreign investment in the car industry. Fewer than ten years ago, it even gave public money to save the company from imminent bankruptcy. So, the critics argued, foreign cars should now be let in freely and foreign car makers, who had been kicked out 20 years before, allowed to set up shop again.

Others disagreed. They argued that no country had got anywhere without developing 'serious' industries like automobile production. They just needed more time to make cars that appealed to everyone.

The year was 1958 and the country was, in fact, Japan.

[jbot]

"Socialist" automakers are bad, but you'll buy a Toyota?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/03/2506461.htm

And that's just recently. Toyota was birthed as a "nationalized" company, and has been integrated in some form or another into the Japanese government for decades. But, you don't have an issue with that though, eh?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/badsamaritans.htm

is this your way of saying you have teh yerrow fever, and want to live in japan?

you do know japan is a different country than the US, right? that they might do things differently than us? i should know, i'm japanese or chinese.

[Disclaimer]

Regardless of WHERE a vehicle comes from, it's hypocritical to take the stance you wouldn't buy a vehicle from a "Government owned" auto company, but then say you'll buy a Toyota. No?

I dunno. Doesn't gain a lot of traction with me. But hell, go ahead an slap a "Buy American" sticker on that 'yota while you're at it. Whatever.

Edited July 14, 2010 by JRMMiii

[Cheech]

is this your way of saying you have teh yerrow fever, and want to live in japan?

you do know japan is a different country than the US, right? that they might do things differently than us? i should know, i'm japanese or chinese.

I thought you were Filireano. Or perhaps Malaydonesian, I can never tell with you people.