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I agree.

Personally I do support Obama.I voted for him the last time and I will vote for him again.This is just one of the many stinking piles of shit that the Bush/Chaney cartel left for Obama to clean up.

It amazes me that anyone could vote re-puke after what Bush/Chaney did to this country.

Your post makes me think of this-

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when really its like this-

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We just need to keep one side from controlling things for more than 4 years at a time to try and even there bs out.

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Your post makes me think of this-

when really its like this-

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We just need to keep one side from controlling things for more than 4 years at a time to try and even there bs out.

^^^^ Ditto

If you voted for OBAMA and are going to vote for him again YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD!!!

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^^^^ Ditto

If you voted for OBAMA and are going to vote for him again YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD!!!

I'm not an Obama fan nor did I vote for him the first time around but people like you make me want to vote for him just to be an asshole

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You think I voted for the kenyan??? :nono:

If ya do I got some land for you to buy....:cool:

I think you voted for the communist that believes in wealth redistribution!

Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii is really irrelevant and doesn't change the fact the he believes in wealth redistribution.

I'm not an Obama fan nor did I vote for him the first time around but people like you make me want to vote for him just to be an asshole

Vote for him that is your right if you like communism and wealth redistribition vote for him. You have one vote just like I do unless you live in Chicago then vote early and vote often!

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I think you voted for the communist that believes in wealth redistribution!

Whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii is really irrelevant and doesn't change the fact the he believes in wealth redistribution.

I can't believe I'm doing the unthinkable and "sticking up for him" but do you seriously think true socialism will ever happen? Seriously how fucking one track minded can one person be?

The fact that its been some 2.5 years and he still hasn't even tried to pull that shit tells me he was being a typical politician and saying things that would appease to people who vote for him, i.e. the poor who'd love that wealth distribution shit

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oh and I want to make it clear, its nothing against you personally but I just can't stand the far left or far right people. Its those extremes that fuck up this country because if they'd quit being stubborn assholes they'd see there is a middle ground to everything that would work for most people.

I admittedly lean to the right, I'm fine with that but I also know that I'm open minded and if I see an option that may be considered "left" but its a better choice then fuck it, lets go with that

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oh and I want to make it clear, its nothing against you personally but I just can't stand the far left or far right people. Its those extremes that fuck up this country because if they'd quit being stubborn assholes they'd see there is a middle ground to everything that would work for most people.

I admittedly lean to the right, I'm fine with that but I also know that I'm open minded and if I see an option that may be considered "left" but its a better choice then fuck it, lets go with that

I am more of a federalist I guess I believe in the constitution as it is written. The federal government is supposed to be limited. I like the libertarian ideas until we come to war and the military and then they lose me. I don't like that conservatives want to outlaw abortion at the Federal level. I could go on and on but basically I want what the founders set up and I believe both parties have stepped way away from it, but this President is signing bills into law that border communism.

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I am more of a federalist I guess I believe in the constitution as it is written. The federal government is supposed to be limited. I like the libertarian ideas until we come to war and the military and then they lose me. I don't like that conservatives want to outlaw abortion at the Federal level. I could go on and on but basically I want what the founders set up and I believe both parties have stepped way away from it, but this President is signing bills into law that border communism.

for the most part i like the constitution and the foundation that was set up 200 some odd years ago. The reality of the situation is A LOT of thins have changed in those 200 years so its not totally realistic. I honestly could give a shit about what any deemed party or groups ideals are, all I give a shit about are the ideals that fit me the best and those fall into no one party or category.

Where I work now everyone predicted doom and gloom with Obama winning...so far only a very small segment of our business has been effected and it wasn't even that profitable so I have not cared much. I hate the government in general no matter who is running it because they make my life a living hell figuring out all the rules and tax bullshit I have to submit

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he reality of the situation is A LOT of thins have changed in those 200 years so its not totally realistic.

I agree that a lot has changed and the constitution has a mechanism built in to change with the times. We do not just interpret it to whatever we want it to say. If he and congress wanted Obama care then they could have amended the constitution to accomplish it I would not have like it still, but I would respect the outcome if it was done properly. They knew they could not get it done right. The constitution has been amended and can be at any time to adapt to the new times. That is reality!

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They knew they could not get it done right

which is why when everyone was freaking out I laughed and said, it'll never happen in the form they want so it won't be an issue. Far Left and Far Right folks are nothing but masters of panic to me

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communism, no...

socialism, that shit was signed in by roosevelt in 1935, you might know it by it's PC names "social security", "medicare" and "medicaid"...

Basically it's where old people decide to rob their children and grandchildren, and then in turn their children rob their own children and grandchildren, ad nauseum...

First candidate that is "crazy right wing" enough to advocate the demolition of these programs will get my vote. Otherwise, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to personal freedoms. whatever 2 consenting adults choose to do to or with each other is none of my concern, and should be none of the government's either.

FTR I did not vote for Obama the first time, but the more I see, the more I like, and i'd put it at about 80/20 that I'm voting for him at re-election time. the only repub who has my attention is Dr. Paul, I'd like to hear more of what he has to say.

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communism, no...

socialism, that shit was signed in by roosevelt in 1935, you might know it by it's PC names "social security", "medicare" and "medicaid"...

Basically it's where old people decide to rob their children and grandchildren, and then in turn their children rob their own children and grandchildren, ad nauseum...

First candidate that is "crazy right wing" enough to advocate the demolition of these programs will get my vote. Otherwise, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to personal freedoms. whatever 2 consenting adults choose to do to or with each other is none of my concern, and should be none of the government's either.

FTR I did not vote for Obama the first time, but the more I see, the more I like, and i'd put it at about 80/20 that I'm voting for him at re-election time. the only repub who has my attention is Dr. Paul, I'd like to hear more of what he has to say.

I don't understand your thinking personally. You say first right wing to get rid of socialist policies, but you are thinking of voting for obama is wants more and signed obama care.

Liberals are not for personal freedoms for instance they support gay rights but only if it gives them more power. If gays want the right to marry they should support libertarians that believe it is none of the Governments business. Liberals are generally anti gun also. Libertarians are the hands off party. Which is why I side with them on most aspects. I believe we should have a military and they do not.

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Forcing every American to buy Health Insurance.....

Yea, that big line item on your W2 that said "Medicare Tax"... nothing new.

If they did away with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid... I won't be able to wait to see what the country would turn into.

How many posters on this site do you think have finances to sustain themselves and their family past age 65 on what they have in their "nest egg" if they EVER plan on retiring?

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The law is passed isn't it?

yes but not to the extent that everyone makes of it. I do our healthcare stuff for our company and not a damn thing has changed yet and nor will it really when its supposed to fully take effect

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yes but not to the extent that everyone makes of it. I do our healthcare stuff for our company and not a damn thing has changed yet and nor will it really when its supposed to fully take effect

Are people required to purchase healthcare?

Is this constitutional?

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Are people required to purchase healthcare?

Is this constitutional?

Was healthcare in the original constitution? No, so that point is moot.

Is it required? Yes, but again its not required that you have to get insurance through the government. You can get it through work, as most people do now or through not being a complete retard and getting insurance on your own. In my eyes the only real thing this bill does is try to protect the stupid and poor by requiring them to get health insurance so if something is wrong they can get medical assistance.

Am I a fan of the bill? No. Did I want it to pass? No. Is it realistically going to effect me? Little to none. Does it have what can be considered a socialist agenda? Sure, because at its basic level I'd like to think all its doing is trying to protect the poor and give them benefits that people who are better off can afford.

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Are people required to purchase healthcare?

no...

but under obamacare, this was the ONLY clause I really took issue with, you are required to purchase health insurance....

The rest of it is a nice piece of legislation (so far as I've read).

we have had threads on here with pages of discussion about it.

You are not legally required to purchase health care, but soon you may be legally required to purchase health insurance.

I can deny health care as long as I'm consious...

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