Likwid Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) roflmao, this thread is filled with some awesomeness"I BELIEVE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT!... unless it's something I think should be required! or unless it's something I disagree with"Where's the westboro baptist church when you need them Edited August 5, 2011 by Likwid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 roflmao, this thread is filled with some awesomeness"I BELIEVE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT!... unless it's something I think should be required! or unless it's something I disagree with"Where's the westboro baptist church when you need themShhhhh..... lets have freedom and rights....... but dont tell anybody! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Brick Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 My elementary school in New Hampshire would read it over the intercom every morning. You didn't have to say it, you only had to stand quietly. My only beef with it is the "under God" part. Otherwise I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_racing_guy Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 It was recited at my school but you were not required to participate. I remember the Jehovah's Witnesses would leave the classroom and stand in the hallway every morning. The ACLU will probably file a lawsuit over this if it passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 The DOE is in place to educate my child. They aren't in place to ignite his patriotism.I find this entire thread hilarious... if this story was about how in China forced it's students to pledge their allegiance to the chairman you know everyone would be crying over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I find this entire thread hilarious... if this story was about how in China forced it's students to pledge their allegiance to the chairman you know everyone would be crying over it. And there is the FAIL in this thread.... The article clearly states that administrators would be required to include it as part of the schools instructional program. No where did it say that children would be forced to pledge their allegience to anything or anyone. Yet its misinterpreted time and again by those who are opposed to it as such...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Why not let the free market handle this. For enough funding, I bet you would have your kids pledge alligence to Keebler elves and the cookies for which they stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I have first hand experience. When I was in 2nd grade I actually considered what the pledge was. Every morning we were required to stand and repeat in unison. After watching a documentary on brainwashing, I asked my mother if the pledge was one of those brainwashing techniques. After thinking about it for a moment she said "yes, it could be considered a form of brainwashing." I then asked her if I could refuse. She told me that it was my choice, and as long as I minded my manners, and did so respectfully I could politely decline to participate. Let's just say a war broke out, I rapidly found myself in the principal's office, and shortly thereafter the superintendent was involved...I eventually won, and was allowed to opt-out, but it did cause a major uproar, and I definitely felt pressured to simply comply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Wow, you fought the power to keep from saying that you were part of a country that stands for liberty and justice for all...I'm sure it was a proud moment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Wow, you fought the power to keep from saying that you were part of a country that stands for liberty and justice for all...I'm sure it was a proud moment..Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Liberty and justice for all....except when we force you to pledge alligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 (edited) LoL @ the guys bashing Magz. Someone takes the time to consider what he is actually pledging to' date=' decides it's a nit too heavy, and politely refrains. [/quote']And yet he continues to live here and take advantage of those freedoms and enjoy the protection provided by those who felt passionately enough to lay down their life for it. Edited August 6, 2011 by Rod38um Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CVmNJuk5cUHow's this different? Because it's not here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I'm proud to be an american, but I'm not a lemming, and I'm not blind.I know my country has it's flaws, it's hipocricy, and it's antiquated ideals, but it is MY country. If I felt that the bad about my country outweighed the good, I would leave; Plain and simple. I have no issues with the original version of the pledge, but the mccarthyist version needs to go. Also, we need to ask this pledge of our citizens, not our infants. as for my patriotism coming into question...If war broke out tomorrow, and I were asked to serve, I would pick up whatever arms were required (and you all probably know my feelings about guns in general by now) and proudly fight for the safety of my family, and my home, in my country. I didn't volunteer for service as a job, as some of you have, because I thought I was better suited for other jobs. But don't think for a second that I wouldn't stand shoulder to shoulder with other americans in a time of need to do whatever it takes to secure this country, my home. Paid or unpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod38um Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Good to know Magley The set of ideas that many have fought and died for that our flag represents have given you that choice. Many other places do not have such choices.Likwid...... There is a vast difference.Those children are being forced, they have no choice but to salute and pledge their allegiance to a flag, to a party that does not believe in individual freedom or liberty. A party that oppresses its subjects and punishes those that disagree with it. It tells you what you may or may not watch or readHere, the pledge is presented not forced on you. You are pledging to a set of ideas that includes "liberty and justice for all" It secures your freedom of choice and thought and your ability to argue right here. If you hate choice or freedom and wish to be controlled by others I can see where you may want it hidden away and not presented to our youth.To argue against its presentation or to repeatedly insist this legislation forces children to recite it when it clearly does not is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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