magley64 Posted July 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 lol, since everyone else is posting what happens, knocking on my door at 2 in the morning makes me confused, if you want to come in, just open the door...if I know you, you know you are welcome, if you want to rob me, why wouldn't you check to see if the door is locked first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) I don't understand the significance of the gas station, ATM, and Kroger. You live too far away from the police station to be within earshot, and the rest of these things don't really do anything for you at all, at least not that I can see. Care to explain?I meant that there is no reason for someone who isn't intending to harm me to be at my door at 2:00AM. They need gas, go to the gas station.... they need money for gas, go to the ATM....... need food, go to Kroger. I was making the comparison to someone living in the boonies who might have a stranger knocking for benevolent reasons. I wasn't clear though.Edit: this is what happens when I get sidetracked between typing a response and submitting said response....lol Edited July 17, 2012 by C-bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 its strange that in a country where personal responsibility is held in such high regard,Since when? We here in the USA are masters of the "not my fault" game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 So in your mind knocking on a door constitutes a search, and is illegal for police to do?A warrant with someone else's name and address does not make for a legal search of your property.Don't confuse my statements as condoning what happened. I do understand how it could happen, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obesityrules Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) there have been similar situations in the past involving no knock warrants. but this is just another isolated incident, nothing to see here, move along....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePEttC-Tsys Edited July 17, 2012 by obesityrules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Ever leave the doors open at night to get a breeze flowing through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeefZah Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 A warrant with someone else's name and address does not make for a legal search of your property. So I can't legally walk up to your front door and knock without a warrant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeefZah Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 there have been similar situations in the past involving no knock warrants. but this is just another isolated incident, nothing to see here, move along.... You do realize his whole family has since been indicted for drug dealing, with strong direct ties to Mexican cartels, his brothers have fled to Mexico to avoid arrest, and pretty much everyone who was once slamming the sheriff's office for "killing a Marine" (Oathkeepers, for example) now recognizes how idiotic their mantra sounds since it has become obvious that he was trying to kill police who were lawfully attempting to conduct a search warrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baptizo Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I wouldn't open the door because A) I can't conceal my Mossberg and B) if they're not hookers with blow, I ain't opening it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 So I can't legally walk up to your front door and knock without a warrant?Knock is legal. And not answering your knock is also his legal choice. Knock all you want but don't plan on searching without a legitimate warrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 You do realize his whole family has since been indicted for drug dealing, with strong direct ties to Mexican cartels, his brothers have fled to Mexico to avoid arrest, and pretty much everyone who was once slamming the sheriff's office for "killing a Marine" (Oathkeepers, for example) now recognizes how idiotic their mantra sounds since it has become obvious that he was trying to kill police who were lawfully attempting to conduct a search warrant.So he was guilty by association? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Just out of curiosity...what difference does it make that it was 2 am? Everyone keeps mentioning it. Do bad things only happen to good people late at night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Its the hour of the wolf I believe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Just out of curiosity...what difference does it make that it was 2 am? Everyone keeps mentioning it. Do bad things only happen to good people late at night?Because by 2:00 AM the mailman has clocked out, the Mormons are in bed, the unfortunates selling candy bars and magazines are slinging crack, and my friends fear my wife. Who's left to knock at 2:00? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerpaw Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Because by 2:00 AM the mailman has clocked out, the Mormons are in bed, the unfortunates selling candy bars and magazines are slinging crack, and my friends fear my wife. Who's left to knock at 2:00?So you feel there is a good probability this would have had a different outcome at 2pm in the afternoon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) So you feel there is a good probability this would have had a different outcome at 2pm in the afternoon?I do. I don't answer my door with a gun at 2:00PM. I do at 2:00AM. Edited July 18, 2012 by C-bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Why would anybody open the door. If you're already concerned enough to arm yourself' date=' why remove the biggest tactical advantage you have by opening the door?[/quote']Because I'm an adrenaline junkie.......and I just love answering the door nekkid with an erection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 So you feel there is a good probability this would have had a different outcome at 2pm in the afternoon?Yes, it would have. I would just shoot the motherfucker that interrupted my soaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Because I'm an adrenaline junkie.......and I just love answering the door nekkid with an erection.That is just the worst mental image ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 The reactions are priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I think the best part is how long it takes them to figure out THAT is what you call an erection.MidgetTodd is proportional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It still gives me the tactical advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 knock knock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I do. I don't answer my door with a gun at 2:00PM. I do at 2:00AM.I agree the guy was a dumbass. I'm armed about 95% of the time, albeit holstered. At night I'd likely grab the Persuader over the pistol. I would try to identify the person at the door prior to opening, and definitely prior to pointing a weapon at them. Pointing a weapon at a unknown target is stupid and irresponsible. Trying to make a stand against armed assailants in an open doorway is really stupid.If I couldn't identify them, I wouldn't open the door. If they came through the door anyways, I'd demonstrate what the shotgun is best at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeefZah Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 So he was guilty by association?He would have been indicted too, but indicting a dead guy serves no real purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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