CleaveTheGreat Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 newsflash: you already live under a government like that.I realize that. I asked him if that was the type of government he wanted to live under.you can always look at the bottom of the wikipedia pages for the citations, then you just look at the cited sources directly.Too much work. I'd rather wait for someone to post a study from a reputable source like you did in one of your earlier posts. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 You make me laugh at times.eh, if i can't get you to honestly think about it, at least i can release some endorphins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I realize that. I asked him if that was the type of government he wanted to live under.Am I happy about it? No... What are my choices? I could move to new zealand...(Yes, that is where I would go if I left this country) but I have family and friends here that I would miss. I could "rise up" and be jailed or killed. Or I could just accept that the united states is not perfect, but it's better than most places, live my life like I have been, and be happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Tell that to a bunch of cave dwelling herdsmen that have been doing a mighty fine jody the last ten years of pissing off our superior military and quite a few Russians before that. eh, if i can't get you to honestly think about it, at least i can release some endorphins...I'm looking at it honestly. You are lookign at it through your rosey colored glasses as normal. I'm finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I think you're the one with the shades on if you honestly believe your militia can take on the US military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 My militia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I'm assuming you've at least got some organization behind you, not considering taking on the military all by yourself...should it come to martial law...or are you just expecting some faceless agency to rush in and protect you if you're named an enemy of the state...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 how did this go from defending yourself and the ones you love to the merit of taking on the military? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 how did this go from defending yourself and the ones you love to the merit of taking on the military? People have suggested that the second amendment was in place (in part) to allow "the people" to defend themselves from the government...usually these people are conservatives who also oppose scaling back the national defense budget... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 magz - "the people" have stood up against the government in the past, when it was needed.guess you missed that part of history classhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) magz - "the people" have stood up against the government in the past, when it was needed.guess you missed that part of history classhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_RevolutionPioneers defending their new homeland from invaders from another landmass in the 1700's. (A time when there were no planes, no satellites, no infrared scopes, no guided missiles, no rocket launchers, no drones, no tanks, no effective body armor... the list goes on and on)vsa confrontation against the most sophisticated military on the planet on the same soil...in the 21st century.not the same...and I bet any group that declared war on the united states of america would find themselves destroyed rather quickly and without much in the way of collateral damage... you might make the news for a day or 2, something along the lines of "an unexpected explosion occurred in a field in BFE, authorities say that the building must have been a stockpile for weapons. The explosion apparently caused by a malfunction of one of the weapons. All occupants were killed in the blast." Edited July 24, 2012 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Pioneers defending their new homeland from invaders from another landmass in the 1700's. (A time when there were no planes, no satellites, no infrared scopes, no guided missiles, no rocket launchers, no drones, no tanks, no effective body armor... the list goes on and on)vsa confrontation against the most sophisticated military on the planet on the same soil...in the 21st century.not the same...and I bet any group that declared war on the united states of america would find themselves destroyed rather quickly and without much in the way of collateral damage... you might make the news for a day or 2, something along the lines of "an unexpected explosion occurred in a field in BFE, authorities say that the building must have been a stockpile for weapons. The explosion apparently caused by a malfunction of one of the weapons. All occupants were killed in the blast."im not talking about a small group of rednecks in a barn planning an attack on the USbut theres no arguing with you, you know everything anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 im not talking about a small group of rednecks in a barn planning an attack on the USbut theres no arguing with you, you know everything anywaysThen how do you see this going down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 magley, every time i read one of your posts, this is how i feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 possibly because you know deep down that i have thought this through, and my position is just as likely as yours to be accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 possibly because you know deep down that i have thought this through, and my position is just as likely as yours to be accurate?honestly, if you actually HAD that mentality, things would be fine.but your position being as likely as mine isnt the issue. its your position is the right way, the only way, and will always be the way.lets ban all guns, spoons, and pencils. everybody should learn martial arts. and we should all just live in nice places like ashtabula county where no crime has ever taken place, ever.now that i think about it....this makes a lot of sense....is there room in magley world for one more occupant? my bags are packed and ready to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 If there is one thing there is plenty of in this county, it's room...I never said to ban guns, I've never proposed it as an act of policy...I've proposed it as an act of agency, that we as a people decide that there is no need for them in a peaceful society, but I've never suggested we "ban" guns.IMO there is a big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 If there is one thing there is plenty of in this county, it's room...I never said to ban guns, I've never proposed it as an act of policy...I've proposed it as an act of agency, that we as a people decide that there is no need for them in a peaceful society, but I've never suggested we "ban" guns.IMO there is a big differenceit is a big difference and it sure would be nice but thats where everyone thinks you live in Fairy Dream Town Land. This is not a peaceful society, it never HAS been and never will be. There isn't a treaty in the world that would give me any faith in humans to do the right thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 There isn't a treaty in the world that would give me any faith in humans to do the right thingso why would you want to continue to provide these people, that you don't trust, with free access to weapons that could easily kill you?and I think if you did a study on violence in our history, you would find that we are way more peaceful now than we have ever been. (human beings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 so why would you want to continue to provide these people, that you don't trust, with free access to weapons that could easily kill you?because these people will kill me with something else if they really want to. I don't know why people don't get that its not the guns fault, its the people behind it. I'll take the chance of having a gun on me to provide better protection to myself and people i care about than walk around with no chance at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 because these people will kill me with something else if they really want to. I don't know why people don't get that its not the guns fault, its the people behind it. I'll take the chance of having a gun on me to provide better protection to myself and people i care about than walk around with no chance at allso if there were no guns, these people would kill you with "something else", and you would have less of a chance to defend yourself against "whatever that is" as a fairly well built, spry and strapping young lad that you are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 so if there were no guns, these people would kill you with "something else", and you would have less of a chance to defend yourself against "whatever that is"?yup...you can make a bomb out of household products. I will then be bombed and I will clearly not be carrying my own defensive bomb on me as thats not practicalpeople are lazy and stupid so guns are their first thought. As I've said before, rather defend myself with a lazy, moronic individual with a firearm with my own firearm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 so if you don't have a gun, and you want to take someone out, your first thought is, I'll mix up some chemicals in my kitchen and make a bomb?LOL, that's just a funny thought...My mind immediately goes back 1 level to swords/knives/blunt weapons and bare hands...but i guess a bomb is reasonable...i have nothing to say to that...apparently I didn't think of every scenario, but now i have this mental image of some guy with a mustache chasing you with essentially a bowling ball with a wick coming out of it, just hissing away as he waits for the blast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 :lol:it was the first thing that came to mind. Probably because of firearms = fire = bomb. One of those things whatever the hell they are called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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