Obama on new gun control legislation after the Colorado shooting...

[magley64]

you know this whole ordeal reminds me of the travon martin case... flashbacks anyone?

I've pretty much gotten over that whole case for now, let zim stand trial see if his "story" holds up to scrutiny... still sucks that we only get to hear one side of the story.

[Exarch]

I've pretty much gotten over that whole case for now, let zim stand trial see if his "story" holds up to scrutiny... still sucks that we only get to hear one side of the story.

nah, not the case itself, I was refering to the whole gun argument between OR members on gun views. i thought about jumping in but, meh.

I left my phone charger at home and the phone died, read all the google stories and got bored so decided to catch up on some reading lol.

[serpentracer]

Because it was a lame attempt, wasn't even original, and you and the fucktard that created that picture don't even understand where the joke came from and use it for a hackneyed, half-assed attempt at an insult.

Here's the problem, you're mentally somewhere down around the kids my daughter goes to school with, from what I can see..slow and clumsy...emotional and histrionic. You've politicized and emotionalized this issue, because that's what children and pants wetters do when they fear things and can't rationalize those feelings yet. That's fine, people do that, except your talking to an adult with a lifetime's experience in matters of firearms and self defense and trying to best me at a game you fucking suck at.

If you want to do something other than flap your gums and make the same flacid arguments I've heard from hundreds of hoplophobes before, then bring it. So far, your platform consists of "guns are icky and make bad things".

Brilliant.

woohooo god guns and country good buddy

[Coyote]

For a bunch of hippies, you guys aren't very open-minded...

[Disclaimer]

Here's a relevant article for ya'll to herp derp about...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/

...aaaaaaaannnnnnndd go!

[serpentracer]

[scottb]

If that tool happened to be a bologna sandwich' date=' then I'd be concealing a cooler of Oscar Meyer around with me.

.[/quote']

I like this, bet it would go nice with the milkshake from your signature line

[ReconRat]

Change of subject; momentum = mass x velocity (p = m x v)

momentum is in kilograms meters/second (kg/m-s)

mass is in kilograms

velocity is in meters per second

.223

m = 55gr = 3.6g = 0.0036 kg

v = 3,240 ft/s = 990 m/s

p = 0.0036 x 990 = 3.564 kg/m-s (2.39 lb/ft-s)

car

m = 3200 pounds = 1451.496 kg

v = 60 mph = 96.5606 kph = 26.82238 m/s

p = 1451.496 x 26.82 = 38932.58 kg/m-s (26161.49 lb/ft-s)

motorcycle

m = 600 pounds = 272.155 kg

v = 60 mph = 96.5606 kph = 26.82238 m/s

p = 272.155 x 26.82 = 7299.19 kg/m-s (4904.70 lb/ft-s)

hammer @ 60 mph

m = 5 pounds = 2.26796 kg

v = 60 mph = 96.5606 kph = 26.82238 m/s

p = 2.26796 x 26.82238 = 60.83 kg/m-s ( 40.88 lb/ft-s)

a hammer swung hard is 25 times more damage

a motorcycle at 60 mph is 2052 times more damage

a car at 60 mph is 13120 times more damage

Clearly hammers should be limited to tiny one ounce limits, if at all.

Motorcycles and cars should be limited to 1 mph or less.

Certainly requires registration and regulation, not everyone should have one.

The high powered ones should be banned. Modifications should be outlawed.

If you have more than one, you're some sort of crazy person.

People are hurt and killed by these things all the time.

Everyone knows they are not necessary to civilized people.

Only police and military should have hammers, motorcycles and cars.

The person didn't do it, it was the car/motorcycle/hammer that did it.

edit: My head hurts now, anyone want to check my math?

Edited July 28, 2012 by ReconRat

[swingset]

I'm not afraid of guns, I'm not afraid of knives, I'm not afraid of you...

Let's just see about that.

It's not fear that drives my position, it's understanding what a gun is designed to do.

That's irrational and emotional. Fertilizer isn't designed to blow up women and kids, but it did. Guns are designed to kill (some of them anyway, others are most assuredly not), but mine don't kill and I don't use them that way. Do you think that an object must obey it's design? If so, bombs wouldn't work and guns would kill without input. You realize how immature and stupid this is?

maybe you live in a war zone, fine... maybe you can convince yourself that "target practice" isn't just sharpening your skills to shoot people later on... whatever.

More emotion, more hysteria based on nothing. I train for self defense, but when I shoot for recreation...I'm most certainly doing nothing but making holes in paper or hitting some steel targets. My daughter sure isn't training to kill. Again, your default is that guns lead to violence, program a person to kill...this gives them magical powers. And you don't fear magical powers?

Absolutely a delusional and hysteric position. Pure fear.

The problem that you are a part of is this country's preoccupation with guns... simple...

And that's a problem why? If I never kill, never injure, never cause harm, why is it your concern why I'm preoccupied? You might be preoccupied with porn, I wouldn't claim you're part of the rape problem. More emotion, more fear that I shall become an actor in violence. You see that, right?

Like I said, I'm not here to tell you that we need new laws, I'm not here to tell you that there will never be an occasion where you will be justified to shoot someone. My point is simple, because guns are abundant and accepted (and even worshipped in this society) the byproduct will always be more guns for everyone, even those that shouldn't have them.

That's irrational again. On one hand you display overreaching logic to assume that the guns I possess lead me towards violence, yet you claim ambivalence about them. You want them gone, yet want no laws. You're lying.

You're terrified of the magic power of firearms, crippled by your own mental contortions and unable to unfuck your goofy views. Clearly, you care a lot.

[serpentracer]

guns were intentionally made to kill. it's a weapon of murder. end of story. stop trying to use the nonsense argument guns don't kill people, people kill people. or that anything someone gets hurt on should also be banned. that has to be the most illogical argument on the face of the earth.

if you really want to get technical, and if you're also a holy roller, god created guns so god's the killer going around killing people.

or why not say since people kill people lets ban people. dur dur dur.

Edited July 28, 2012 by serpentracer

[magley64]

Nope, you're right guns are as safe as teddy bears, they were designed to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy, clearly their design intent has been skewed by these evil godless people.

You've convinced me, I'm giving an assortment of guns to my nieces for christmas this year. They are 3 and 6, so now they can protect themselves from those bullies at school.

[swingset]

guns were intentionally made to kill. And if I don't use it to kill will I break a law of the universe or something? If I kill you with a piece of plumbing pipe, are you not dead?

it's a weapon of murder.

Are olympic free-pistols weapons of murder? They're used to compete using low-velocity ammunition and are purposely designed to hit nothing but targets. Are goose alarm guns weapons of murder? They shoot pieces of flare to scare geese, but if I load it with buckshot and kill you with it, is it a gun for murder, or goose-scaring?

end of story. Only if you're retarded.

stop trying to use the nonsense argument guns don't kill people, people kill people. Stop trying to convince us that guns load themselves, shoot themselves, and aim themselves. Even a child can grasp this. That's not saying much for you, kiddo.

or that anything someone gets hurt on should also be banned. I really got nothing.

that has to be the most illogical argument on the face of the earth. Irony.

if you really want to get technical, and if you're also a holy roller, god created guns so god's the killer going around killing people. Wow, you gave that one a lot of thought, didn't you Plato?

or why not say since people kill people lets ban people. dur dur dur.

Maybe we could ban murder, or things that someone can get hurt on. I racked myself on a see-saw in elementary school. Designed to kill those things are.

Fuck man, I love you. Let's drink a beer together real soon. I've paid $50 for a comedy show that didn't deliver half the fucking belly laughs you've given me tonight.

Seriously, you're a fucking hoot.

[serpentracer]

Change of subject; momentum = mass x velocity (p = m x v)

momentum is in kilograms meters/second (kg/m-s)

mass is in kilograms

velocity is in meters per second

.223

m = 55gr = 3.6g = 0.0036 kg

v = 3,240 ft/s = 990 m/s

p = 0.0036 x 990 = 3.564 kg/m-s (2.39 lb/ft-s)

car

m = 3200 pounds = 1451.496 kg

v = 60 mph = 96.5606 kph = 26.82238 m/s

p = 1451.496 x 26.82 = 38932.58 kg/m-s (26161.49 lb/ft-s)

motorcycle

m = 600 pounds = 272.155 kg

v = 60 mph = 96.5606 kph = 26.82238 m/s

p = 272.155 x 26.82 = 7299.19 kg/m-s (4904.70 lb/ft-s)

hammer @ 60 mph

m = 5 pounds = 2.26796 kg

v = 60 mph = 96.5606 kph = 26.82238 m/s

p = 2.26796 x 26.82238 = 60.83 kg/m-s ( 40.88 lb/ft-s)

a hammer swung hard is 25 times more damage

a motorcycle at 60 mph is 2052 times more damage

a car at 60 mph is 13120 times more damage

Clearly hammers should be limited to tiny one ounce limits, if at all.

Motorcycles and cars should be limited to 1 mph or less.

Certainly requires registration and regulation, not everyone should have one.

The high powered ones should be banned. Modifications should be outlawed.

If you have more than one, you're some sort of crazy person.

People are hurt and killed by these things all the time.

Everyone knows they are not necessary to civilized people.

Only police and military should have hammers, motorcycles and cars.

The person didn't do it, it was the car/motorcycle/hammer that did it.

edit: My head hurts now, anyone want to check my math?

sorry your attempt has failed. everything on your list wasn't built with the sole intention for killing people like a gun is.

[swingset]

Nope, you're right guns are as safe as teddy bears, they were designed to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy, clearly their design intent has been skewed by these evil godless people.

You've convinced me, I'm giving an assortment of guns to my nieces for christmas this year. They are 3 and 6, so now they can protect themselves from those bullies at school.

Irrational fear, keep talking the neon gets brighter with every post.

[serpentracer]

Maybe we could ban murder, or things that someone can get hurt on. I racked myself on a see-saw in elementary school. Designed to kill those things are.

Fuck man, I love you. Let's drink a beer together real soon. I've paid $50 for a comedy show that didn't deliver half the fucking belly laughs you've given me tonight.

Seriously, you're a fucking hoot.

tell me this, was a gun not purposly built with the sole intention to kill?

[magley64]

Irrational fear, keep talking the neon gets brighter with every post.

don't have any retort? oh that's right, you don't have an answer for that other than that is a BAD FUCKING IDEA because guns are dangerous but that doesn't fit your narrative...

"guns are safe, they only protect people who need protected, and it's only bad people that kill with guns (and besides they would've killed you anyways)"

[serpentracer]

don't have any retort? oh that's right, you don't have an answer for that other than that is a BAD FUCKING IDEA because guns are dangerous but that doesn't fit your narrative...

"guns are safe, they only protect people who need protected, and it's only bad people that kill with guns (and besides they would've killed you anyways)"

wait by their logic, only bad people kill people with guns. so that means he can't shoot someone with it. so self defense argument down the drain.

[steveGSXR750]

The '94 awb didn't keep the guy who wrote the bill from becoming the vice president of the us lol

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[swingset]

tell me this, was a gun not purposly built with the sole intention to kill?

Hey, you know I love repeating myself over and over again, so sure why not?

No, guns are not designed to kill, they're designed to shoot bullets, you decide to kill, or whether to shoot watermelons for lulz. Even guns that are sold for, and presumably designed for law enforcement or self defense are only designed for reliability and accuracy. Use is always dictated by the person who's holding it. Is a fast bike designed for breaking the law? No, but some people do that. Others don't. Some people just race them on the track, others stunt them.....

Jesus. Are you 12?

Some guns are designed without any "weapon" thought whatsoever.

Target guns are designed for competition. NRA High-Power guns are designed for long range shooting. Race guns are built for action-pistol competitions. Speed shotguns are designed for 3-gun competitions. No killing, no war, not built, designed, marketed or intended for malice.

Not that it matters, because intention is the game of the person holding the gun.

And, it's the intention of the guy with a propane tank whether he grills some burgers or sets it off with a flare gun and blows a church up.

Are you even capable of processing this? If you're not, I seriously recommend some professional therapy. I worked in that field, I'll get you some numbers. For realz.

[Exarch]

don't have any retort? oh that's right, you don't have an answer for that other than that is a BAD FUCKING IDEA because guns are dangerous but that doesn't fit your narrative...

"guns are safe, they only protect people who need protected, and it's only bad people that kill with guns (and besides they would've killed you anyways)"

The fairy in the sky created guns so granny could have an even fight though How did the bad guy get so lucky to obtain one? Oh wait, thats right, granny got stabbed from behind.

I'm going to stick with my previous statment of guns don't belong outside of the home/range unless being rcarried by a cop/military personal. D-on't see that ever happening though, so lets just give everybody a gun and even the battlefeild

[serpentracer]

Hey, you know I love repeating myself over and over again, so sure why not?

No, guns are not designed to kill, they're designed to shoot bullets, you decide to kill, or whether to shoot watermelons for lulz. Even guns that are sold for, and presumably designed for law enforcement or self defense are only designed for reliability and accuracy. Use is always dictated by the person who's holding it. Is a fast bike designed for breaking the law? No, but some people do that. Others don't. Some people just race them on the track, others stunt them.....

Jesus. Are you 12?

Some guns are designed without any "weapon" thought whatsoever.

Target guns are designed for competition. NRA High-Power guns are designed for long range shooting. Race guns are built for action-pistol competitions. Speed shotguns are designed for 3-gun competitions. No killing, no war, not built, designed, marketed or intended for malice.

Not that it matters, because intention is the game of the person holding the gun.

And, it's the intention of the guy with a propane tank whether he grills some burgers or sets it off with a flare gun and blows a church up.

Are you even capable of processing this? If you're not, I seriously recommend some professional therapy. I worked in that field, I'll get you some numbers. For realz.

come on man you're not stupid and neither am I. you can repeat it all you want it doesn't make it true. a gun was intentionally made to kill. especially hand guns.

stop trying to insult everyone's intelligence along with showing us you have none.

you know as well as I do a gun is intentionally designed, made, produced, marketed, and sold to kill. that's it's only use.

and your argument that only bad people kill with a gun is flawed since you want to use it to kill in self defense. so even good people want to use a gun to kill.

there's no tap dancing around it. it is what it is.

Edited July 28, 2012 by serpentracer

[magley64]

you know as well as I do a gun is intentionally designed, made, produced, marketed, and sold to kill.

he won't, it doesn't fit his narrative... fox news dictates his life.

it puts holes in shit from far away...whatever

you can't technically know what the original designer needed to put holes in, maybe he was an interior decorator and wantedd an easy way to make skylights...

I'm not in charge of shit, so it really doesn't matter what my opinion is...

I'm done...

Edited July 28, 2012 by magley64

[swingset]

don't have any retort? No, you don't. Repeating the same assertion over and over again and sidestepping my direct questions is not a retort. It's mental retardation, clinically speaking that's the classic definition of it.

oh that's right, you don't have an answer for that other than that is a BAD FUCKING IDEA because guns are dangerous but that doesn't fit your narrative...

Guns are dangerous? Fear. Emotional paranoia based on irrational views of an inanimate object. Guns cannot arm themselves, aim themselves, fire themselves. When confronted with this, you claim nothing but hypothetical fears that more guns or the ease of availability leads to violence. You have no answer for why Switzerland or Israel defy that assertion, you just go back to deflection.

Fear. Emotion. No thinking, just feeling.

"guns are safe, they only protect people who need protected, and it's only bad people that kill with guns (and besides they would've killed you anyways)"

I guess that made some kind of point in your head, but it just reads like derp shit out here.

Keep talking, you're sliding further and further and getting farther away from being taken seriously on this subject (you started out hanging by a thread).

Does it ever seem like you're getting your ass kicked?

I always wondered that about people who can't track or perceive themselves very well.

Are you aware of how stupid you are right now? Please, I must know.

[serpentracer]

I guess that made some kind of point in your head, but it just reads like derp shit out here.

Keep talking, you're sliding further and further and getting farther away from being taken seriously on this subject (you started out hanging by a thread).

Does it ever seem like you're getting your ass kicked?

I always wondered that about people who can't track or perceive themselves very well.

Are you aware of how stupid you are right now? Please, I must know.

actually you're the one resorting to name calling and insults which shows the lack of knowledge of the discussion.

it's a common logical fallacy.

Edited July 28, 2012 by serpentracer

[swingset]

come on man you're not stupid and neither am I.

Well, I agree with half of that. You might be the dumbest motherfucker I've ever talked to. You haven't said a word yet to shake that belief.

you can repeat it all you want it doesn't make it true. a gun was intentionally made to kill. especially hand guns.

Originally, the first guns? Yes, designed to wage war and injure/kill. After that, all bets are off. You can't even wrap your limp noodle around the concept of a target pistol. I've got dog turds in my yard that I could get to grasp that. You? No chance.

stop trying to insult everyone's intelligence along with showing us you have none.

I don't even have to try anymore.

you know as well as I do a gun is intentionally designed, made, produced, marketed, and sold to kill. that's it's only use.

Pure retardation. Wear it loud, wear it proud.

and your argument that only bad people kill with a gun is flawed since you want to use it to kill in self defense. so even good people want to use a gun to kill.

I have no desire to kill or shoot anyone, never did, never will. Your entire premise on guns is displayed in this infantile, moronic statement. You are a flaming moron of epic proportions.

there's no tap dancing around it. it is what it is.

Seriously, either as a troll or a genuine window-licking imbecile, you are a solid 10.

I'm breathless.