speedytriple Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 For you long range guys which one is better and why? I have a low end 30/06 now but am working on a deal to trade it for a shotgun i want. So around the end of the year i will replace it with a new bolt gun. What models are good for the money out of the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 30/06 for long range, without a doubt. http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2011/04/cartridges-sibling-rivalry-308-vs-30-06.html?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 What is your definition of long range and how far and how often do you actually think you will be shooting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I will add though, for really long range, .338 Lapua. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_MagnumSavage makes some excellent long range rifles in this caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 What is your definition of long range and how far and how often do you actually think you will be shooting it.Good additional point.My suggestions are valied if speaking 600yards plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 308 is more than enough for 600-1000+ yards.338 is overkill for anything under 1200 yards IMO.No matter what distance you "think" you will be shooting, you'll learn really quick that it takes more than just a rifle to be able to hit your target at 600+ yards. If you cant drive it right, it doesnt matter what caliber it is, you wont be hitting much of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 There is no such thing as "overkill".Furthermore, the more "capable" a round is at being accurate at distance, the easier it it's to be accurate with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Last I checked 30-06 was cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 There definitely is such a thing as overkill. No different than trying to drive finishing nails with a sledge hammer. It can be done yes, but its overkill and probably not the right tool for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Maybe if we were hunting squirrels with a .50Cal...but long range shooting, no such thing as overkill.I respectfully disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Maybe if we were hunting squirrels with a .50Cal...but long range shooting, no such thing as overkill.I respectfully disagree.What will you be shooting with the likes of the .338, and where can you shoot here in Ohio at those distances? Just out of curiosity, wonder why a 30/06 isn't used over a .308 for snipers, I have shot the 30/06 and what a wicked round that is? Buddy of mine says whatever you spend on a "high quality" long distance high power rifle, typically look to spend double the gun price for optics if you are serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 http://thundervalleyprecision.com/Guy I work with that is from Coshocton is good friends with Tom Sarver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) What will you be shooting with the likes of the .338, and where can you shoot here in Ohio at those distances? Just out of curiosity, wonder why a 30/06 isn't used over a .308 for snipers, I have shot the 30/06 and what a wicked round that is? Buddy of mine says whatever you spend on a "high quality" long distance high power rifle, typically look to spend double the gun price for optics if you are serious.You can go to Thunder Valley in Kimbolton oh and shoot out to 1 mile.308 has been used because of availability, barrel life, cost, etc. When you get into high end or custom rigs, many people definitely spend the same or more on glass than they do on the rifle. Edited November 9, 2012 by flounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) http://thundervalleyprecision.com/Guy I work with that is from Coshocton is good friends with Tom Sarver.Cool.....so what you gonna buy? You gonna build yourself a bad ass 30/06, ammo is allot cheaper than the Lapua!! Edited November 9, 2012 by Pokey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Glass porn. http://nightforceoptics.com/products/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Glass porn. http://nightforceoptics.com/products/Serious shit there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTrainDriver Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Something simple. http://www.snipercentral.com/sav110ba.phtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Holy fuck.....$80-100 plus for 20 rounds of .338. Sure like the prices for 30-06 much much better. Sweet rifle by the way, you should easily have 5k in that and a scope no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 If youre seriously looking at doing this. I would suggest staying away from the 338 unless you have deep pockets. Also, you may want to check out the Vortex Razor series of scopes. A bit cheaper but still great are the Vortex Viper PST.NF is quality optics but I prefer a bit more bang for my buck including more elevation, better reticle, and FFP which some other optics makers have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 http://www.slickguns.com/product/ruger-american-rifle-30-06-win-22-barrel-4-rnds-32999-free-shipping I really like this for my needs/wants/desires, great reviews AND PRICE and I am a big fan of Ruger products. Good quality scope and I would be tickled pink with this set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd say stick with a Remington or a Savage if you can. More support and aftermarket parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Range would be 500-750 unless i go to thunder valley. Maybe use it a dozen times a year or less. Looking to spend around a $1000 for the gun and optics. Not looking for competition grade stuff just a reliable accurate gun for light use. Leaning toward a savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 The Ruger American has nothing but great reviews in the short time it has been out. Any rifle of this type, and in this lower price range, is going to lose accuracy after a few shots, until the barrel cools. I say that so we can compare apples to apples. What I found was people were regularly able to shoot millimeter groupings with this rifle. The adjustable trigger is a great step, in a rifle at this level. And that level being for hunting and range play. The .308 Vs 30 06 debate can go back and forth being justified. I choose .308 for availability, pricing, weight of ammo to carry, and capability. Capability between the two calibers is very close. where one has an advantage, the other make up for it some where else. What it came down to for me was, I was willing to give up the very little difference in hit power at a distance with the 30 06.It comes down to what you prefer. I hope this may have helped in thinking this out.My set up with a Nikon Monarch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Been looking at this model savage. Model 10 in .308 with a threaded barrel. Gunbroker has it for around $700 that would leave me with around $300 for a scope. I know not enough for a good scope but it is for light range use not serious shooting LOL! This is the one I been looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 In several years of long range shooting, I've seen a ton of 308s and maybe 2 30-06's at the range. In theory, you can get more velocity behind the bullet, and get better ballistics, but unless you want to reload from day 1, its not worth it. There is a lot of match grade 308 there, and the only match grade 30-06 I've seen is old stuff for Garands which wouldn't be comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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