Cheech Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 No they swear to up hold the constitutionNeed to read a little farther. "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."Before you say "b-b-but officers!", the only part of that oath omitted is the part about obeying orders. The part about "enemies, foreign and domestic" is still there, so by taking up arms against the US, anyone care to guess which one you might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The point is anything can be used as a weapon. Drunk driving is illegal, but you dont see the government going all out to ban cars. They arent out there banning alcohol. Knives can be used as deadly weapons, but they arent trying to take away my Ginsu's. The first reported killing in the bible was Cain killing Able with a stone, is the government going to outlaw stones larger than an inch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) If I may indulge in wild speculation, I'd say she's been doing it since they were a young age, because she enjoyed the hobby and to instill respect for the weapon to her children, just as a responsible gun owner would and many on this forum already do. His mental condition may not have developed until he got older, but who knows. I think you're right, we will (or at least, should) hear more about this as things develop.You could be right. I've wondered that too. If I had someone living in my house that was mentally unstable...my guns would either be in a more secure safe than they are right now, or removed from the house all together. While we don't know and may never know all the facts. I think the mother could have done more to prevent this situation and should get a lot of the blame. Edited December 17, 2012 by Tpoppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I've thought about the since a young age scenario too. If I had someone living in my house that was mentally unstable...my guns would either be in a more secure safe than they are right now, or removed from the house all together. While we don't know and may never know alll the facts. I think the mother could have done more to prevent this situation and should get a lot of the blame.That is what ive been bitching about since Friday. She is as much to blame as he is for what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Since when was an AR15 or an AR10 an assault rifle? Neither are capable of full auto fire without some serious upgrades, all of which are strictly enforced and regulated.Assault weapon: Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:Folding or telescoping stockPistol gripBayonet mountFlash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate oneGrenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).This is the definition from the previous ban in 1994. Yes, a "assault rifle" is a different category than "assault weapon". I think everyone in this thread is speaking about the same thing, even though some of the terms may be used in error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 No, I'm just not afraid of ever being attacked with a gun...My world is apparently a little more care free than yours.Neither am I. But as this case shows, there are some fucked up people in the world and its better to be prepared than caught in a situation where you are unable to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 That is what ive been bitching about since Friday. She is as much to blame as he is for what happened.And now she's dead by her son's hand. What more do you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownsfan1 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Neither am I. But as this case shows, there are some fucked up people in the world and its better to be prepared than caught in a situation where you are unable to This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 And now she's dead by her son's hand. What more do you want?Shes dead by her sons own hand because of her own inadequacies as a responsible parent and gun owner. If she didnt have her weapons locked up, its as much hers as it is his. If she allowed him to have access to them via having the combination, or leaving the door open, shes as much to blame as him. To punish everyone else who is a responsible owner is like banning the owning of cars because one drunk driver took out a bus full of kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Has it been said where he got the weapons from? I have not looked it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaCinci Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Has it been said where he got the weapons from? I have not looked it up.They were hers...they keep saying she was a "gun enthusiast" and they belonged to her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Need to read a little farther. "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."Before you say "b-b-but officers!", the only part of that oath omitted is the part about obeying orders. The part about "enemies, foreign and domestic" is still there, so by taking up arms against the US, anyone care to guess which one you might be?according to regulations and uniform code of military justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 last i heard he stole them from his mothers house, they were all registered in her name. The also said 2 days prior he tried to purchase weapons at a few different gun shops and was denied by the background check process. So that proves the current system works. As any criminal will do they will get their weapons via theft or back channels illegally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Well not to sound like an ass, but she kinda got what was coming to her. The children he shot on the other hand were innocent victims who did not deserve to have the fate they were dealt by this mental case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 True about the current system. With him not being of age, he would not have been able to buy a handgun. But unless they came back with a mental illness of other background check no-no he still could have bought a long gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Okay, I'm caught up, please continue or my Monday afternoon is going to be long and boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolWhip Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 True about the current system. With him not being of age, he would not have been able to buy a handgun. But unless they came back with a mental illness of other background check no-no he still could have bought a long gun.I heard he was 24. Is that not correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 No the older brother is 24 he had his ID on him when the shooting happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 his brother is 24, for a sometime the news reports said that he was but he was infact 20. When they first found him he had his brothers ID on him and i am thinking that is where they got it fromdamnit speedy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Medical errors,Tobacco, Alcohol and vehicles kill FAR MORE people every yer than firearms. Go jump on/under/in front of that wagon if you want to save lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Well this just used up part of my day. Can't wait for the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Medical errors,Tobacco, Alcohol and vehicles kill FAR MORE people every yer than firearms. Go jump on/under/in front of that wagon if you want to save lives.Thing about those, people are making them safer with each generation. Less deadly...The opposite is true with guns, with every generation they become more accurate and more deadly than the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Thing about those, people are making them safer with each generation. Less deadly...the best way to make a car less deadly has nothing to do with the design, same can be said about guns. Neither can kill without the user being the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblosser Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 person + bullet(s) + gun = murder = ban the gunperson + alcohol + car = murder = not car's faultwhat's the common factor in both scenarios above?@Mr Magley: You've stated numerous times in this thread that the 2nd amendment does not apply to today's realty vis-a-vis taking on the government and its superior firepower. I would point you to the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 person + bullet(s) + gun = murder = ban the gunperson + alcohol + car = murder = not car's faultwhat's the common factor in both scenarios above?What is the difference between a gun and a car? A car's primary design intent is to convey someone safely from one place to another.A gun's design intent is to destroy a soft target from a given distance.@Mr Magley: You've stated numerous times in this thread that the 2nd amendment does not apply to today's realty vis-a-vis taking on the government and its superior firepower. I would point you to the Heller and McDonald SCOTUS decisions.I'm just talking about the reality of the situation, your government isn't afraid of your gun... It will not stop them from doing something they intend to do, it will not even slow them down, it will not affect their decision making one iota...your gun does not scare them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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