AWW$HEEET Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 ok so i plan on installing tile in my basement bathroom. the floor is currently vinyl, glued to the concrete slab. this stuff is a bitch to get up. i have maybe 10% of it up, and am throwing in the towel. there are basically chunks now taken out of it, making the floor uneven. to remedy this should I:a. screed some sort of floor leveling compound over the whole bathroom floor, and install tile over it when curedb. install 1/4" wonderboard on the floor, and essentially glue it to the concrete slab with thinset. then install tile over the wonderboard, when curedc. say fuck it and install tile over it, directly to it. total thickness of this god forsaken vinyl is between 1/16th and 1/8th of an inch, by my estimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 HEAT GUNcrowbarchiselhammersquare edge shovel (flat head shovel)if more than 20 years old, there's a good chance it's asbestos tile and/or adhesive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 HEAT GUNcrowbarchiselhammersquare edge shovelif more than 20 years old, there's a good chance it's asbestos tile and/or adhesiveits vinyl, not tile. and even if it were asbestos, wouldn't a proper action be to cover it anyway and not disturb it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Recon is right. They make real wide chisel/scraper tools. Add to his list some elbow grease.....If you leave the asbestos then if you ever sell the house you have to fully disclose that and it will probably make it more difficult to sell if anyone would even buy it without you having it removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I would go with the wonder board I'd be worried that it wouldn't get a good bond if you tiled directly over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 So how much area are you looking at having to deal with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 its vinyl, not tile. and even if it were asbestos, wouldn't a proper action be to cover it anyway and not disturb it?If it is VCT and contained absestos it could be identified by its size 9"x9" and would be adhered with a black asphalt based adhesive. Proper adhesion would require a latex modified thinset at a minimum. 12x12 commercial tire can be easily removed by adding head and a flame spreader on a propane torch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 So how much area are you looking at having to deal with?20 sq ft total but this stuff is fairly tough, it comes off in shreds. to get all of it, i end up chipping the concrete slab, in which case im gonna have to level it out, even when i get all this stuff up.and no, this is NOT asbestos. its that rolled vinyl stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 If it is VCT and contained absestos it could be identified by its size 9"x9" and would be adhered with a black asphalt based adhesive. ^^This if it's old and 9x9 you can figure it has asbestos but they also made asbestos in 12x12 and it was used in linoleum also. If you even think it could have asbestos in it just leave it alone and go over top of it with something like wonderboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 20 sq ft total but this stuff is fairly tough, it comes off in shreds. to get all of it, i end up chipping the concrete slab, in which case im gonna have to level it out, even when i get all this stuff up.and no, this is NOT asbestos. its that rolled vinyl stuff.asbestos was in rolled linoleum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) heat gun or spreader torchit does sound like a mess, but if heat works, I'd remove it.If heat doesn't work, I'd leave it.Lots of energy required, even if only 20 square feet.I have a friend stripping an entire house of all it's tile. Some on slab, and some not.He's using two heat guns, and alternates them. He doesn't want to overheat and melt them.I can ask him what he did for really tough parts of it. Edited February 11, 2013 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 asbestos was in rolled linoleumhmm. house was built in 1980. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I wouldn't mess with it they banned it in '78 but the ban didn't stop them from selling anything that was already made and some say it could have been sold as late as early '90's. It isn't worth the risk and the wonderboard will save you a lot of hard work either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 yeah id rather leave it at rest than kick it up in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 One of the biggest risk is the acoustic ceiling tiles flooring usually isn't an issue because it doesn't turn to dust like the ceiling tiles do. My grandfather died from Mesothelioma and it's a painful long nasty death so if I even think there is a chance of asbestos I won't mess with it but others do. In your case using the wonderboard and covering it makes sense and will save you a lot of labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 heat gun or spreader torchit does sound like a mess, but if heat works, I'd remove it.If heat doesn't work, I'd leave it.Lots of energy required, even if only 20 square feet.I have a friend stripping an entire house of all it's tile. Some on slab, and some not.He's using two heat guns, and alternates them. He doesn't want to overheat and melt them.I can ask him what he did for really tough parts of it.ive been through some tough tile removals, and just 10 mins of working with this shit takes the cake. right when you think you have a good, wide section ready to peel up, only the top layer of the vinyl comes off, leaving you with stuff still glued to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 My son bought a house and found abestos wrapped heat pipes it in. He hired an abatement company to come in and remove the asbestos and it was pretty reasonably priced. That mesothelioma is some bad stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Warm the little bastard tiles up with this...shouldn't take too long http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-torch-91033.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Flooringforum.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I hope something in here can help.Removing Tile Adhesive from Concretehttp://www.doityourself.com/stry/removing-tile-adhesive-from-concrete#.URmHKvLAFBkGlue Removal and Concrete Grinding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ81BvpmQrgFloor Polishing Tips: How to remove glue from concrete? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5NH2Cc1y-sCarpet glue removal 7" Grinder Vac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWNcS78pxIE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Goo gone? Personally I would level with board then tile over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Ty Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 *FYI* I,ve tested 12x12 tiles finding HIGH levels of Asbestos here in Ohio. The mastic, if black is going to be ACM (asbestos containing material). The yellow/blonde colored mastic before 1999 has tested ACM also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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