Your make a good point Hollywood...., ive been riding for many years and i've seen guys act retarded while sober and i watched guys drink on poker rides , its too each his own. But you hit the hammer on the nail when you made your point about people on this site being "bored". Bikerstyles isn't even a chartered club last I heard(not that I know everything). And as far as the permission topic and the parade bit. Putting down kickstands and enjoying the smell of the lake and enjoying a slice of pizza and a coke (beer to those that drink) does not provoke issues between one club to another (your obviously not in a M/C asking a question like that). I have obviously made a good gesture of fellowship and riding towards the wrong crowd. This interaction on this forum is a tru testiomony to why people in clubs ignore riders without alliances to an M/C. Its rather rude and pethetic, but i guess thats how it goes when you have the ability to spit in persons face virtually, with out any repercussions.