dammit looks like i'm on my own on sat if sat doesnt work for anyone. as for sunday, i have to pick up the woman from the airport at 6pm, so that probably means, depending on where I am, I'll have to leave the group around 4pm so i can get to my house in time to get the car and get to the airport. at 50+ degrees, I don't think the roads will be so cold that there will be serious issues with traction. But it's sounding like most of you guys would prefer to do a casual ride, so maybe if anyone knows some scenic (with maybe even some gentle sweepers) routes we can hit and get a bite to eat somewhere, that would be just fine with me. the only places i know down south of north royalton is south of canton where all the good roads are. Near north royalton, I think there is a park or something like that, and maybe some scenic roads (like, they're actually called, scenic byway or something like that). plenty of food places there.