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I bet if you didn't shoot then you wouldn't have gotten shot or your girl, and u could just call the cops about the car...

Problem solved!

This made me chuckle.

Nice try.

It's an amazing thing how the mind works. The deadbeat that tried to rob him probably couldn't find the inch marks on a ruler. As soon as he was looking down the business end of a bigger boom stick, his eyes became a micrometer and told him he drew the short straw that day.

Yeah, he said he got a big laugh out of the whole thing. He has told me a couple other stories where he had to draw but I can't think of them right now. Great guy. One of those that if shit ever hit the fan, I want him to have my back.

I just dont care, my place my guns. They dont like it they are welcome to not come over. That being said I dont really hang around with anit-guners because they are freaks.

You have guns!!??!!

I find that to be total horseshit!!!! If I ever felt the need to pull my gun, it is either going to be "to kill" or to deter......plain and simple.

I'm sure what he means as that if you pull a gun on someone, you had better be prepared and justified to use it.

Edit: Meanie beat me to it.

All depends on the situation at hand. Sometimes I will keep it from ever coming up and if it does, change the convo. Then after they've been hanging out with me for a while, tactfully let them know I am carrying and "see, I never tried to kill you." A lot of times that will help sway them. Or take them shooting and show them how it isn't the gun that kills someone, it is the person and intent. Most people fear what the do not understand so if you can make them understand, they may not want to carry but at least they aren't as afraid.

Yeah but couldn't you talk him into something better than a m&p

There is nothing better, of course.

When your parents accuse you of lying to them, look them straight in the eye and say: "Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus." And walk away. Slowly.

no the water gets up 195 degrees for more than 45 min wont stay that temp with our washers all the time but occasionally don't want to accidentally melt something. pay for shipping here and back no charge for the work

The only tag I see on this says "cordura".

Found this online:

500D Cordura fabric front panel, gussets and shoulder harness face side

420D High Density Nylon on shoulder harness back side, padded waist belt and back panel

10mm EVA foam shoulder harness and padded waist belt

210D Nylon lining

Nylon webbing and drag handle

I'll PM you for your addy.

This is what my wife carries. S&W SWAT assisted opener.

What MP, a PITA.

Andy let get personal. You and me have met and talked quite a few times. I can honestly say of all the times you and me have shook hands one time I was not carrying a firearm. That was a Buffalo wings and rings. On of he first times you and me met was at the infamous picture run where some asshole started kicking bikes over. You me and Eberz were less than five feet from the guy while it was happening. I remember that becaude Eberz just got off your duc and we were talking about it and when it happened the bike that dropped missed your front tire by about an inch. I think its safe to say we all felt a little threatened while that guy went on his rant. Since you lumped everyone wih a handgun license into the ignorant hillbilly looking to just shoot someone pot.... don't you think I would have plugged that guy? I'm almost offended that you would have the opinion that us permit holders are looking for a fight. If he (I know what if right?) would have pulled a gun I'm betting you would have been happy you were standing next to a hillbilly that day.

You carry a gun when we are together?? That's scary....

Oh wait, I was too.

lol

I'm not against carrying guns.

Never said you were, just food for thought.

would that be ok with the law then? This is a serious question so please answer seriously..

If you have a CCW and anyone points a gun at you, you are going to draw the gun out and shoot repeatedly and kill him?

What would the courts say about that? Seriously question.. Just asking. Don't get all defensive.

INAL, but because you felt your life was threatened, who wouldn't be staring down a barrel, then you are justified in engaging and neutralizing the threat.

You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to neutralize the threat and if he dies, then that's how it goes.

No idea.. Thats what I'm asking..

Yes, Id feel threatened, and give them what they wanted.. Odds are shooting you isn't their priority.. Taking your stuff is..

But when you pull a gun shooting you might be a priority..

Thats a serious question.. I bet its a toss up.

If they weren't willing to shoot you, chance are good they wouldn't have a gun in the first place. It all depends in the circumstances. If i had a gun pulled directly in in front of me, say at about 3 feet, disarming him would probably be my best option. I probably cannot get my gun out, aim and fire before he can squeezes one off. At a greater distance, I may be able to duck and slide over while drawing, find cover and engage the threat.

I may be the one who happens to witness someone getting a gun drawn on them, I know the exact circumstances not assuming the guy with the gun is the bad guy, and be able to engage the threat without him knowing.

I don't carry just to protect my life, my daughter's life or my wife's life. I carry to protect those who cannot protect themselves as well.

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

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What would happen if they wern't going to shoot you, and then you pulled a gun and then they felt threatened and shot you?

What if we what if'd all the time?

If someone pulls a gun on you, would you feel threatened for your life? At that point, looking down their barrel, do you know whether they will shoot you or not? Where would you say the odds are?

I looked it up on camelbak's site said it was made of Nylon which the die kits that I have access too will work with as long as nothing on the pack melts under 200 degrees I should be able to do it no problem

I'll have to double check on the bag to see if I can find a tag. 200 degrees? Do you bake it when you do it?? And how much do you want to dye it for me?

I'm not saying bad things don't happen to people. I'm sure you can find an instance where it would have been nice to have a gun. I also bet you can find just as many instances where 2 people have guns and they both start acting like idiots and either both get killed or 1 gets killed because they were being tough guys... Or some innocent person gets killed. You can play the what if game all the time

For one thing, you are not discerning between those with a valid permit, and those carrying illegally. Those of us with permits know the risks of violating the laws and the consequences are usually greater for one with a permit.

This boils down to the sheep and the sheep dogs.

Dub did make a good point about it being like the lottery and you having a one in a million chance of winning or it happening. But because of the odds millions of people play the lottery every day. There is always that chance.

Its your first amendment right to feel the way you do but its my second second amendment right to do what I do. And no matter what way you look at it the second amendment right is what has defended and to this day protects all the rest of our rights.

Except when you win the lotto, you're winning some money. You're not gambling with your life.

If you really want to read about real life encounters, browse this forum:

http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewforum.php?f=6

I've never needed mine, thankfully. But I have only been carrying for two years. I do have buddies that have needed it. My friend was pulling out of the parking lot and a guy ran up with smaller gun, like a .32. Tried to carjack him. My friend pulled his .357 magnum out of the center console and the carjacker high tailed it out of there.

the owners have every right to enforce such a rule at their establishment.

If you don't like it, then feel free to vote with your dollars, but the only difference between today and last week is that you have alternative businesses to patronize who don't share the same fear as those restaurants.

choice is a good thing.

Yes they do have the right to not allow CCW in their establishment.

What kills me is they don't realize that the "bad" people that are carrying now and drinking are still going to be doing the same while the people that are out following the law are the ones that will be victims!!

This is the truth. If "no gun zones" worked, we wouldn't have had Columbine or Ft. Hood...

Oh please... All you friggin dinner tough guys? Why the hell would someone need a gun at dinner? When was the last time you were eating dinner and needed a gun?

PLUS, if no one has a gun, then why the hell do you need a gun?

I'm not sure where you guys were raised or where you hang out, but the only place I think I need a gun is 1 at home to protect my family or 2 walking around the freakin ghetto actin like an idiot.

When was the last time you needed a fire extinguisher? Do you keep one in your house? When was the last time you needed your seat belt? Do you wear one in your car? Also it's more the fact of the gun getting stolen from your car and then some criminal has a loaded firearm. Or the fact you stand a better chance of getting jumped walking from/to your car. The "no gun" sign doesn't mean no one has a gun. Tell that to Nikki Goesner who is a spokesperson for allow guns into alcohol establishements. She watched her husband get shot and killed by her stalker because she wasn't allowed to carry her CCW at the bar. She was working as a DJ and couldn't even carry it. People get shot and killed everywhere. No place is safe. Heck, there was a little old lady a while back shot and killed in the parking lot leaving Sunday church.

I have a tan backpack I want to dye black, for tactical reasons of course. I don't know what kind of fabric it is but it's made by Camelbak. Has anyone here done this before? How do I do it? Any specific brand of dye preferable? I don't want some cheap crap that will come out.

Yeah I know I could buy a black bag but I don't have the money to buy another one and then just have this as an extra. It looks like this:

I'm currently using a 3L CamelBak and a Nalgene water bottle. Probably more water than I need, but whatever.

Too much is better than not enough. I always carried water purification tablets as well as a way to boil water. Yeah, probably overkill too....