Bubba

Not to belabor a point, but you're talkin' a shit load more than 4000#. Figger the trailer alone--big enough to haul a car--is gonna be an 16'-22' tandem axle flatbed that's gonna weigh a minimum of 1500-2000#. Add a vehicle that, depending on size, weighs 3000-5000# + and we're talkin' a minimum of 3 tons. More likely, you're looking at 4+ tons. Be safe out there.

Bump. See comment in first post.

Bump. See comment in first post.

Well S-H-I-T!!! It's back on track now....

Boy howdy! I must be one of those "rich" folk because I get 100% of my income from investment dividends and have since I retired in 2006. Yup, that's right. I don't have a defined, guaranteed monthly pension, don't collect SS, SSDI, welfare, food stamps or any other US or state government money. I worked my ass off, traded 40 years of my life for a weekly income, raised two kids and put 'em thru college, bought fixer-up houses and put sweat equity into 'em and resold 'em to move into something bigger. I made do with used cars and never owned anything new until I turned 50. There were months in my early career when I paid mortgage and bills and ate Mac&Cheese and balanced my checkbook down to less than $1.00, and still I thought I was King-Shit having the time of my life! BTW, for those of you who may think I don't pay taxes on my investment income now, I just finished calculating how much I owe and it's plenty! Whenever one of these threads pops up, it never fails to devolve into an argument about either politics, haves-v-havenots, us-v-them, or sometimes even into religion (Christian-v-nonChristian-v-atheist). Fact of the matter is the human animal is inherently self-serving and greedy--that's how we managed to survive for millions of years (or thousands of years, if you're a fundamentalist) before things like society, nationalism and government came into the picture. With the wisdom of 60+ years of putting up with bullshit--or maybe it's simply the Alzheimer's--I see that there are two crucial questions that need to be asked for our continued existence on planet earth: 1) Is it moral? and 2) Is it sustainable? If the answer to either or both of those questions is "NO"....then we are ultimately doomed. I compare it to the US defense policy our government espoused toward Russia when I was a kid in the 50s and 60s of "mutually assured nuclear destruction"....I mean, WTF?!? Moral? Sustainable? Does that sound like a win-win situation? So, where does that leave us? Well, the only way out of the reality of what we ALL face in the next 100 years or so, assuming we make it that long, is that we need to suck it up and shoulder an increasing burden and increasingly painful load to help mitigate the excesses and abuses of the last 50 years. Yup, I'm part of the problem, and you are too. We've got to stop postponing the inevitable--kicking the can down the road, so to speak--and start FIXING SHIT NOW. And there's a ton of ways we can fix this. One is to keep relying on the same system we've been using lately--and that our Washington "policy spinners" have been calling Capitalism--and believe we can "grow our way out" of this situation. Out of necessity, this would eventually have to include the entire world's population. How many of the Third-World nations' poor will it take buying Cadillac Escalades and 60" HD TVs to grow our economy? Sound sustainable? Or we could allow our "free market economic system"--there's that "Washington spin" again--to further stratify the world's wealth and ensure that only the poorest and the weakest shoulder the bulk of the pain. Afterall, there's way more of "them" to spread the pain around to, and the ultra-rich deserve another couple of billion apiece for 'creating' corporations and jobs, right? Sound moral? Or we could come to the realization that we're all stuck here on this stupid rock, with no way of getting off and no other place to live no matter who you are and how much money you have.... and agree that allowing one man's over-zealous accumulation of the world's finite resources at the expense of another man's suffering, is NEITHER MORAL NOR SUSTAINABLE. I'm not trying to pose a solution, nor am I attempting to lay blame. Merely my personal opinion. Consider the discussion started.

Nice post. And kudos to your Mom and your family for working thru hard times. Something is definitely wrong with "the system" but not any easy answers as to how to fix it. Pretty sure that neither socialism nor our modern version of capitalism are the answer, tho. I worked for nearly 40 years for a large "Blue Chip-Fortune 500" company and made what is considered a middle-class 5-figure salary. I'm pretty OK with where I was and where I am now, and am grateful for many things. Yet my total pot of accumulated wealth over the entire 40 years is WAY LESS than what Joe Flacco just signed for as pay for one game! And he ain't even part of the 1% rich in the overall picture. (And please, let's not get into a semantic discussion of the relative worth/merit of being an elite athlete, OK...I was simply using a topical comparison.) I was always a "blue bird of happiness on your shoulder" kind of guy, but I admit that I'm afraid of what may happen just 5-10 years in the future, and even more fearful for my kids and grandkids future. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, 'cause when the SHTF sometime down the road, it ain't gonna be pretty.

Truth is that the S model is sprung pretty lightly. Makes for a nice ride at sane pace on single track but not what is needed for gonzo balls-out riding and big whoops. That, plus us old guys are so close to the grave that we don't like getting too far away from the earth. Hell, I don't even ride whoolies anymore unless I'm drunk....

Thanks for the interest, and good luck with your rehab! BTW, I've got an orange '09 DL650, too. Great bikes!

I was figgering this was a pretty good deal, but only if there was $45 in the wallet.

Awrighty. If you'se guys is gonna insist on doin' the club thing, yer gonna need this: Harley Davidson Wallet - Riding Goggles and Do Rag - $40 (West Chester) http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/mcy/3646594822.html

I'm with ya on the whole "Let's form a club" thing, but damn.... You dudes are pretty harsh on a new guy, considering that 50% of the daily BS that goes on in OR is about guns. Perhaps a simple admonishment and some gentle guidance on OR forum protocol would have sufficed. Then again, it is winter... EDIT: BTW, WTF is a 91-20 boy?

So....which one was it again?

Sheit! Beat me to it....I was gonna say: "Do these shoes make my ass look big?"

Even lowering a sport bike 1-2", she's gonna still have way more clearance for aggressive riding than she's got on the Magna. And when she gets more familiar with her new bike, it's completely reversible for zero dollars!!! Win-win. [OfcourseIsecretlythinksheshouldstayinthekitchenandmakemeasammich]

C'mon guys. She's currently riding a 120 HP old school bike that weighs 520 lbs with a seat height of 30"! I don't think she's gonna be intimidated by a modern sub-450 lb sport bike. Seat height is the issue here, and that's why they sell lowering links.

Coming from a V65, it's obvious she's not intimidated by HP or weight, but simply needs something that isn't too tall in the saddle. I'd say start her off looking at any of the 600s--CBR-RR, R6, Gixxer, new Kaw 636 (Mmmmm!!!)--and see how she fits. If she doesn't have a problem with those and still wants more HP, try the liter options. Worse case, she can always install lowering links; she'll still have way more cornering potential than the Magna she's riding now. FYI--She sounds like a keeper. If ya ever wanna turn her loose....???

Thanks, Mary. Hope you find a nice bike--woods riding is a blast!

Got an '08 DRZ400S set up for the woods with only 1800 mi for sale on the board here...

Recon: From what I'm seeing on the interwebz, you can buy an M1 Abrams for less than a Garand!!! Glad I'm old and fat--when the zombie apocalypse breaks out, I won't have to worry if I've got enough fire power 'cause they always eat the slow, fat ones first....

Sorry. As stated, i'm only a go-between. Props to Baptiso for PMing me some links for the guy. It sounds like he's still in pre-SH buying mode and should shortly be in buyer's shock and denial when he sees what they're going for.... Thanks for the help.

Hmmmm, I has no idea. I'm not a gun guru. I'll get more info and get back. Thx! What is CMP North Store?

I know that this is prolly a wild goose chase, but.... Buddy in NKY (not on OR) is looking for an M1. If anyone knows of something available, send me a PM or post up and I'll forward the info. Thx--Bubba

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I've had my Wee to 100 and the FJR to well over 130, but only alone and on a completely deserted road. Speeds like that don't belong in a group ride.

You REALLY NEED my DRZ400S! It's for sale..... (hint, hint)