Jack sometimes you need to get out of your own way. If you noticed I agreed that loosely pre planned groups should be a necessity. Having 5 different people shout random ideas for future endeavors is useless confusing filler. Any additional micromanaging is also useless confusing filler As I stated here is all that needs planned: *Date, time, place, route *know what group you want to be in, know who the leader is and park in the correct location You've now fixed 75% of the issues from past years with that second bullet point