LOST, correct on Valley Villa....they might still be open, but will be closing soon for this year, but if we do this ride next year, they will be open. I think i am back to LA this week, the weekend of the 17th, I have a wine tour with friends ( I dont drink wine so i am the DD) and then the 24th I have a halloween party. So unless we do this on a Sunday?I am usually in Chagrin Falls on Sunday late afternoon,early evening on the bike anyways.