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cant believe how immature all of you are this is beyond ridiculous. Anything i post, good or bad is looked upon negativly. The only people i have actually talked to here are the people ive met in person and they are geniune good guys. But they all dont post because of the atmosphere. I wonder why that is... i am riding more than im spending on this forum. Im done posting at all really unless its for rides there is no real point.

Im sure after this post someone will quote it and say something stupid and most of you will take the bandwagon route and make yourself look like an idiot. But do it because it will make your e-penis seem cooler. All i know is most of you are actually good guys in person so maybe you just need to cool your jets online.

I havent said anything negative in a while and you all need to get over that.

So you see it as were all wrong because we have the same view of you and your actions? You seem like one of those guys that thinks the world revolves around them. Like you have an attitude of everyone is always against me but they are wrong, I'm right. Then when people tell you something you argue that your right and don't listen to what's being said to you. It's almost admirable.how you blindly stick to your guns but I bet that is why you rub people the wrong way. People say in person your not an ass like you are on here. Why can't you be the same on here? I believe the reason none of the people you met stick up for you is they also feel you are wrong. People on here are not afraid to say how they feel. As far as not posting anything negative lately. What the fuck is this thread? You said you only wanted money for the extra stuff with the dog not the dog. You said you were willing to sell the extras else where but the people would need to buy the stuff anyhow. You turned down several offers for the dog. Carwhore even said he didn't need the stuff but you didn't take him up on the offer to give the dog a good home. So either you posted this to stir shit or your honestly trying to sell the dog. Now you even have the 400 dollars you wanted being offered to you. Why haven't you taken the offer? Go ahead and only post when it comes to rides. Hopefully that will change mine and other peoples opinions of you. We all do dumb shit the difference is being able to recognize you've done dumb shit and admit it was wrong.

I showed her... She wasn't as impressed as most of the ORDN folks ... Very much worth it though

Is she the one that put this thread up originally? Kinda like a feeler thread?

Back home my best friend rides with a nice shiny chrome .38 in a tank holster, and has never ran into problems. I doubt open carry is legal here though.

Seriously though, This has me looking at getting a bike that can get me away from trouble. Bike vs. Car, the car almost always wins. I got very lucky having that guy in the 250 that took it upon himself to protect me. I really wish i knew who he was, I would buy him a beer.

Open carry legal in Ohio although a concealed carry permit is required for carrying in/on a motor vehicle.

I'm originally from Rochester NY. I've been in Columbus since 1999. I had a CCW permit when I lived in NY but I never renewed it here although I still have my gun(s). Up there we were never allowed to carry in a bar and I didn't need to. Sure I've been in my fair share of bar brawls. I've been in places loaded with mobsters (I'm Dutch BTW so I won't claim to be a mobster). Never once have I needed my weapon. So, that being said, do I think we "Need" to carry in a bar? No, we don't "Need" to. Should I be allowed to should I choose to? Yes.

Most CCW people I know would really hesitate to pull it, yes, even my mobster friends. Why? Because it brings too much heat, too much attention, and nothing good comes from it. now, would I pull it if I had to? You betcha. Would I shoot someone? Yes, but it all depends, and not for status. Most people that pull them like they pull their dick wouldn't shoot you anyway.

Like the mobsters, it's not the loud mouths you need to be careful of, it's the quiet ones. I'm pretty quiet.

Do we need them in a bar? My opinion yes. Say you go to applebees with your family, its considered a bar. What's safer having your gun unattended in your car or safely on you? Now as you leave the restaurant you notice your car has been broken onto. Your guns in the hands of a criminal now. Or you leave and get attacked. All the more reason to be able to carry inside.

K I'll let him know.

Sale price? I have a friend looking for a bike.

Not starting crap, but a court can see it differently:

Kentucky Revised Statute

508.050 Menacing.

(1) A person is guilty of menacing when he intentionally places another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury.

(2) Menacing is a Class B misdemeanor.

And actually, all parties were probably guilty of menacing.

I agree with the menacing. But I argued that the tire iron was not sufficiently used as a weapon in this video because someone brought up using ccw as an option. I disagreed.

I don't know if this has been said (it got old reading the constant lies), but what this boils down to is someone who got a Husky, who wasn't prepared for the spoiled brat-ness that a young husky brings to the table. I love Akitas...but they are my worst enemy before they mature. I hear Huskies can be the same way. I could be wrong...but it sounds like someone bit off more than they could chew, and is trying to pass the poor untrained puppy off on someone else.

Carry on.

This + this someone is trying to get paid to pass this pup off. That's why everyone is upset.

Carrying on now.

We have a lot of freedom in this country, to behave whatever way we wish. But will always have to temper that with the consequences of a society that judges us.

since we're all guessing:

I would consider charging the rider with unsafe passing, if he could be identified. Perhaps even reckless driving.

I would consider charging the truck driver with two counts of attempted vehicular homicide, once for trying to force the passing vehicle off the road, and once for crossing the center at an oncoming vehicle. (bike at about 5:30.) Additionally one or two counts of aggravated menacing, for waving and pointing a crow bar at one or both riders. If he could be identified. I would also consider charges of road rage, if available.

If there had been any physical contact, I would consider arresting all parties for fighting in public.

A crowbar is a weapon, as is a baseball bat. Yes, both are tools, but it depends on how you use it, handle it, and display it. No, you don't want to be hit with either.

State v. Macias, Darke App. No. 1562, 2003-Ohio-1565 ¶ 37 --Although almost any hard object may be used as a bludgeon, there must be proof that an inoperable or fake gun was possessed, carried or used as a bludgeon.

There must be proof. The truck guy could argue he was going to tighten down his load using the tire iron as a crow bar. He could argue it was in his hands as he talked. I never saw him use it as a weapon, like swinging it at them. Until he attempts to use it as a weapon it isn't one.

Don't pull your gun unless your going to use it. That's how I see it.

I agree. Post #45.

I'm not for carrying pepperspay as primary defense. 2 reasons, 1. Overspray sucks been there. 2. It doesn't work on everyone, and isn't always immediately affective and you still need to fight. I would use it as a tool but not rely on it 100%. After spraying you may still need to fight. That's where krav comes in. The classes teach to stop the threat then escape. Also it is real world based so it looks at variables like multiple attackers and environmental conditions. If you get pepperspray go with fox, its the worst I've been sprayed with.

Welcome.

A good old fashioned beat down will usually provide more satisfaction than a well placed bullet.

Agreed.

lots of misinformation being tossed around here.

Of course you can argue either side of a confrontation, but here's how I see it:

the rider made an illegal pass. This is a traffic violation, and not aggressive in any way toward the truck driver.

the truck driver reacted by attempting to run the rider off the road. That act makes the driver the "aggressor."

The bike fled, and the truck pursued. That still makes the truck driver the aggressor. Arguably, the rider tried to escape the situation and end it.

The truck driver proceeds to break the law about 35 times (each time tires touch a solid yellow, that's a lane violation. bike: 1, truck:30+).

Once they stop, you could TRY to argue that the riders "confronted" the driver by approaching his vehicle. You could also argue that they merely stopped trying to retreat, because stopping was safer than continuing to be chased at that pace on that road.

IF the riders became the aggressors when they approached the vehicle, the driver reclaimed aggressor status by brandishing the tire iron. That is absolutely a weapon. I do not know if it would be considered a "deadly" weapon though. Obviously it could be, but I honestly think that depends on if he strikes for the head or not. With helmets on, he could argue that it was never a deadly weapon.

At no time did I hear the riders curse at or threaten the driver, whereas the driver was obviously quite agitated. Being the calm one is usually not a sign of being the aggressor. I don't believe the riders responded with even equal force (or the threat thereof), let alone greater force. (responding with greater force makes you the new aggressor).

...but because no physical confrontation ever took place, this is all kind of moot. Being the aggressor versus on the defense only matters if you are trying to claim "self defense" as your reason for committing an otherwise criminal act. The riders didn't (that I saw).

So hell yeah, turn the tape into the police and take the traffic violation if they want to nail the guy. I would say he can easily be charged with a handful of aggrevated assault counts, and maybe attempted vehicular manslaughter. I'd have to consult the laws to see where the behavior fits.

I agree the truck was on the wrong. My whole argument has been that the riders could not have used a firearm on this person at anytime other than when he swerved at them. Even being justified at that split second they would still be commiting several felonies at that time had they fired a firearm.

now just sell that dsm and you'll be looking good.

? I'm lost.

If he doesnt get an infraction for this. Its bullshit.

if you don't like it here go away. I don't know who invited you but I'm in-inviting you.

Interested in trades + cash? What gauge is it? I can't handle much more than 16.

I'm going to have the bike out for a parade in Radnor (northern Delaware) then I will be available in the afternoon.

we actually had this happen to us last summer on a trip down to WV. my uncle (jschaf on here) passed a guy in a jeep grand cherokee who was driving rather slowly and the guy proceeded to try to catch him and drive down the center of the road stopping me and my other uncle from passing. i think the guy got up to at least 100mph on the straights trying to catch up to jschaf, who had been given about a minute to get ahead of the guy before he decided to start going all crazy. he was also taking the corners at dangerous speeds for that type of vehicle, not to mention he was fully in the oncoming lane while going around the blind curves. i decided to stay the hell back. i thought for sure we were going to get gunned down at the next traffic stop if the guy didn't cause some horrific accident on the way. crazy people everywhere i guess. was half expecting to see that same black grand cherokee in the video heh.

good choice on staying the yell back at a safe distance.

I thought that is what they were doing when they were all on cell phones.

Yes after 7minutes of escalating the situation.

I was agreeing with you, goof!

I know I was just trying to make Tyler understand.

are you trying to prove some kind of point, or trying to belittle me? either way - i already admitted at the top of this page that i hadnt stopped to consider the second guy

its like somebody saying "2+2 is 5" then you saying, "no, its 4" then them admitting they were wrong, only to have you keep hammering away

im not sure what youre trying to express to me?

I'm not trying to belittle you I'm sorry you see it that way. I never said the 2vs1 was the deal breaker. 1on1 the guy still couldn't shoot him. That's the scary thing about carrying, there's a lot you need to process before making a split second decision.

Unfortunately he is right. That is how the courts would see it.

The courts would argue they shoulda pulled over and called police.

yes - and i already admitted in a post further up that i hadnt stopped to consider that there was 2 of them vs him and that i also thought they would have trouble in court. i already admitted that my first post was not accurate. the two of them would have been able to take down the guy without using deadly force. if it had been just the truck driver and the biker - i stand by my initial argument that it would be self defense, the biker cant be expected to run forever, further endangering himself and others. and when he stopped they had words, and then the guy retrieved a weapon from his truck.

But he never went at them with the "weapon".

I just dont understand how some homicidal maniac tries to murder a biker for passing him on a double yellow, and you are now saying that the truck driver is the victim because the bikers instigated it.

I never said he was the victim. I said they couldn't legally use deadly force on him.