I bought a pair in new condition on eBay.... Needed an alteration, Aerostitch wanted to charge $75.00 for the alteration, plus $75.00 charge because I didn't purchase new from them ( I get that ). I had it done locally for $20.00. Since then, I've ridden in all day rain, stayed dry. Tested them on a low speed crash on my dual sport. They have held up very well! I think you will be happy with them, once you get them altered. Just my .02 ....