jester3681

Yum!

I don't think I'd have done anything differently. If it's loud enough to wake you up, you at least have a noise complaint. If he's also beating the shit out of her, well that's for the cops to figure out when they address the noise complaint.

This is a case where I'd have to side with the kid. Obviously an unprovoked attach here, and I hold police officers to a higher standard - he should have known better.

Welcome to OR!

Here's what's playing now...

It all goes down to care and maintenance. Sounds like this one is low miles and well cared for.

Always liked the Eldos - almost bought one once, but got a Lexus instead. Hated it...

Take the rotors off and bleed the calipers off the bike with each pad surface against its corresponding sides of the rotors, once bled then reassemble. Stack something under each rotor so the calipers can reach them. Its the harder way, but you'll be sure that each line/caliper is bled completely, and you'll have easier access to the bleeders

Or this.

Sometimes I'll use a socket for bleeder screws. You can put a six foot extension on it if you need to. Just clean the socket off good afterwards.

I wouldn't. Not with nothing in between the pads. Can you spin the caliper around on the rotor (flip in inside out) to get better access to the bleeder screw?

Ultimately, though, I think the proper tool may be in order.

I'd run that sucker in deep in a court if the seller tried that BS. The example that Madcat provided was obviously done on a trust deal and no BoS. Otherwise, there would be a case that it was properly sold in a manner that was legit and legal.

The example Madcat gave, if I understand it correctly, was as follows:

1) Thieves stole a bike, owner reported it stolen.

2) Thieves swapped frame or maybe just VIN tag with that of a legal bike.

3) Unsuspecting Former OR Member (U-FORM) buys bike with a legal title and a legal VIN.

4) At some point down the road, original owner sees U-FORM selling bike which looks familiar, confirms it is stolen via other identifiable serial (engine number).

5) Bike is impounded as stolen (which it is, see #1), U-FORM is kinda screwed.

Yes this happens regardless of whether the vehicle has a title or not. And in this instance, it did happen with a title. I absolutely agree, whether you're buying a titled bike from Larry down the street or a bike for track use from Habib's Discount "Not Stolen" Bike Lot off Parsons, the single most important thing to do is verify all the serial numbers and verify that those do not coincide with a stolen bike. And at the end of the day, it might still be stolen and you might still be fucked. Such is life, friend.

I will say that every time I buy and sell a used car private party, in addition to the title, I also fill out a basic bill of sale with all of our info, the date and TIME of the transaction and the amount of the sale. I include things like an as-is clause and a clause stating there are no liens or other encumbrances on the vehicle. I had someone buy a car from my wife and I, wrecked it the next day. Their insurance company tried to pass it off on our insurance. I sent them a fax of the BoS... never heard another peep.

That happens a lot though, which was my point, and why the seller is still the legal owner. I've been aware of titles that have been "open" for decades.

Now, I don't have a title in front of me, but the only thing the seller is attesting to is the price, odometer reading, and date of sale. , right? Therefore, if the buyer never fills out his portion and leaves the title open for years,the buyer takes the risk of someone stealing the title and putting THEIR info on it and claiming the asset, but if the open title just sits, for years, it can be passed on to the next buyer, and the next buyer, and so forth. The official record of the numbers of owners would be screwed up, but if years down the line an owner wanted it titled, he'd fill out the buyer info and register it (plus taxes and a penalty fee for filing beyond 30 days) -- title is still good.

Well, sort of. What a notary is actually notarizing is the seller's signature on the assignment portion of the title. What the seller is signing is that all of the assignment portion is correct to his knowledge. In the case of the Ohio title, this information includes buyer's name and address, sale price, seller's name and address and date of transfer. If a notary is truly savvy and doing his job, he would not sign a title in which any of that information is blank.

Now, I'm not naive enough to think that doesn't happen all the time, heck, as a notary, I notarized tens of thousands of titles and rarely if ever was this section completely filled out. As a notary in a business, you make the assumption that other parties in the business will fill out that area and this is typically legit.

That being said, try to have the BMV notarize your signature on an open title and see what happens. Nothing. They won't touch it unless the entire top half is filled out. That's because if the assignment section is not complete, there is nothing for the seller to attest to as factual, which is ultimately what the notary is challenging him to do. It's sort of like making out a contract for a loan with your bank, but they leave the interest rate, payment schedule and total loan amount blank, then want you to sign it.

All he has to do is go the the title office and pay for a duplicate. Then' date=' he has a legal title, and so do you.

The bike is still his. It's also yours, but it's still in his name with the government. He can get another with minimal effort and make your day a real mother fucker.[/quote']

Yeah but if you get a duplicate title, it's notated in the system. If it ever became an argument of ownership, that's where the legal battle would begin. You have the item and a valid title on a certain date. He has a title dated later. He'd have to come up with a pretty convincing argument that you, he, and the notary all had a brain fart on the original title but he let you keep the vehicle anyways...

That's a pretty big AND up there. If the seller fills out his portion and the buyer never fills out his portion (which often happens if the buyer never plans to register it, and wants to leave his info blank to save him the hassle of getting new title when he goes to sell it), then who is the legal owner?

Well, if you want to get technical, the seller is, but he is in violation of the law. If he signs the title and has it notarized without the buyer information filled out, at least partially, it is an "open title," which is a big ol' nono. The back of the Ohio title should only be filled out when the title is being transferred.

EDIT: Just read the last section of this post - if the buyer never fills out his section "to save the hassle when selling it" that's called "jumping titles" and is a pound-me-in-the-ass prison sort of offense in Ohio. Just FYI to anyone out there who may know a guy somewhere that may consider doing it.

So,what if I have a title that's is signed over to me and notarized?

Is it still legally his !

I say no based on the fact that once a title is signed over its the buyers responsibility to get it transferred !

In this case, if the seller has signed the title and it is notarized, and you have filled your information out as the buyer, the vehicle is yours, legally. In the event that the seller would go print another title at the BMV, your title would still be valid, however, I always recommend going right the the BMV and getting the title in your name to prevent this from happening - you would have to argue pretty hard about the legality of the titles and prove which was valid in a court of law. But once the title is assigned to you, ownership transfers. Honestly, you could leave it like this indefinitely and it wouldn't be an issue until you went to sell it, since Ohio only allows one assignment per title.

NEXT: If you are a valid owner of a vehicle titled in your name and you lose the title, you are either lazy or cheap if you don't get another one. It takes no more than a trip to the title office and less than $20 to get another one. If you're selling a titled vehicle, get a title for it.

LASTLY: If you are not going to license a vehicle in Ohio (put plates on it and take it on a public thoroughfare), I don't give a fuck if your write something out on a cocktail napkin. As long as the seller (or another previous owner) doesn't come looking for it, you're legally the owner of the vehicle. Ohio is a chain-of-title state, so the only concrete ownership they acknowledge is a title. Beyond a title, it gets grey. Bill of sale is a legal term, not a BMV term. As long as everyone in the transaction trusts one another, badabing - there you go.

Ohio is one of the strictest (if not the strictest) states in the Union when it comes to ownership and titles, and there's very little grey area. At the end of the day, when it comes to the purchase of a used vehicle to be licensed, the only way that it can be done in 99.999(go about a hundred more 9s)% of the time is from a clean title of ownership to you.

I know there are a lot of people on this forum that "know" titles and buy and sell a lot of cars/bikes/etc, but I can guarantee that unless you work at the BMV or have been doing this for decades, there is no one here who's name has been on more titles than mine, as a buyer, seller, company representative or notary. Sorry to sound like a dick, but this seems to be the third or fourth thread that has similar pissing matches in it. I hope this post clears things up.

CLIFFS NOTES VERSION- If you want it on the street, get a title. If you want to race it or for dirt, no one gives a shit, just don't buy it stolen. Just don't expect you or any other subsequent owner to have it on the street.

Yeah - glad to see him up and moving - prayers will continue, but this is excellent news!