Pokey

Boy is Karma gonna bite her in the ass soon.......what a miserable cunt.

He is alive!!!!!!

You need some Rep for that post. ^^^^^^^^

There MANY here on this forum that have so much RESPECT for you and all your brothers, when things go bump in the night, y'all bump back big time. Congratulations and thanks for serving this country and keeping us safe.

Wow James.....glad you are OK, could have been much much worse as you for sure realize. Yeah it might be a good idea to take a break from riding for awhile, and you may consider another bike that won't handle so well or allow to ride so fast. Might be time for a cruiser, not sure you can control yourself to slow things down. Heal fast buddy, spend some quality time with the family and count your blessings.

I gave you link for the best tail bag out there, price is good too. I am gonna get one for my C14, I have a Motocentric bag now that I will be putting on my WR.

We could always jump on our bikes and meet half-way?

I have given positive rep to him before, as he has to me.

We still do not know the entire story and situation at hand, once again we as people are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. And how do we know that the police did not have a vaild reason for detaining him, were any of us there? And comparing my feelings and opinions toward this situation, as to say....... "If you can't agree with that, please give all your guns and ammo to the nearest police station, turn in your man card, stop posting on OR, and get the fuck out of the country...because you're part of the problem". Holy shit that is hard to believe you even said that to me, pretty low blow Matt. You gotta pick your battles, and when it comes to much of the public about open carry and firearms in general, I see no reason to throw the "hey public.....look at my right to carry openly here in Ohio, if you or police don't like it, you can kiss my rosy ass." What this guy did "legal or not" is what makes an already sensitive topic and situation even worse for gun owners. There are major pro gun states that don't even allow open carry for just this EXACT reason, are they pussies, communists, and in violation of all our 2nd Amendment rights? How about many places of business here in Ohio that does not allow firearms in their establishments, how can they legally get away with that, are they wrong and bad Americans for doing that? The guy made a judgement call whether it was the right choice or the wrong choice, the rest of us would have to do the same in that situation. Lets worry more about the police state actions that were implemented in Boston, lets worry more about the insane gun bans that this administration wants in place. Just because anyone including the mentally ill or unstable person may have the right by law to open carry in Ohio "this is just an example" and law enforcement has no idea who this person is or whether they are are in fact legally permitted to do so, is why I feel that open carry is nothing but a clusterfuck waiting to happen. Me being judged harshly just because I would be willing to show my ID to an officer who may find me suspicious for whatever reason, is my choice to do so. I never talked harshly toward anyone that would choose to take the road that Mr. Call took, but every action causes a reaction whether legal or not. I will save my rights for a much worse scenario than what this was, I will choose my battles as to what I see is more fit. So don't judge my character or my pride as being an American over something as fucking stupid as this. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!

Price adjustment made, this is not price gouging by any means.

I have no bug up my ass about police like many here seem to, of course I have never been in a situation to make me feel otherwise. How am I being a pussy by trying to work with police "I have nothing to hide", and we for sure do not know everything about how this all went down. Just because the charges were dropped, doesn't necessarily mean the OC guy was right in how he handled this, the same also goes for the police. When respect is shown it is usually shown back, I just see this scenario as not being a big deal as far as complying with the officers request. Carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, especially when it is out in the open for everyone to see. And the CHL saved his ass from a felony due to carrying a locked and loaded pistol in a motor vehicle, which I believe was one of the main reasons as to why they wanted to see his ID and to know how he arrived at the gas station.

Well said.

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Glocks pricing compared to many others is actually lower, and all pistols malfunction eventually whether induced by the shooter, ammo, or an issue with the firearm itself. Glock malfunctions are rare at best, I have a hard time putting any consistent blame on the firearms in question. Although neglect of cleaning and oiling "whatever" should not really have any substantial impact on a Glock, their torture testing has seen MUCH MUCH worse.

The dragon bites many every single year, just be glad yours was just a nip.

Somebody go down over the weekend?

Good post!!!!!!

Just because OC is legal in Ohio, doesn't mean the public "or police" is ever going to fully accept open carry, that is reality. Dragging this shit all over the internet and news is much more bad publicity for gun owners than it is to police. I feel the police had every right to question this guy on how he arrived at the gas station while OC and ask for his id or information, had he not had the CHL his ass would be in big trouble. I am trying to see this from both sides, both being the police and the supposedly harassed gun owner. Seems they both could have and should have handled the situation differently, but that apparently did not happen "as far as we know". How is this eroding away our rights, what ever happened to working with police and not against them? And the dollar amount that this asshat is asking for "600,000 for emotional trauma alone" is laughable at best. The guy chose to open carry vs concealed in a type of establishment that is known for getting robbed at gunpoint, yes the 911 caller overreacted and was obviously ignorant. This could have been a police officer for all they knew, and I wonder if it had been would he had complied by showing his ID? Sorry but this is all making a mountain out of a mole hill for me, and unless you are in law enforcement, open carry is just asking for negative attention. Women can walk around topless in Ohio and it is perfectly legal, but we know that is never going to be accepted and will cause nothing but accidents in pants and on the streets. There are lots of laws where we are legal to do something, but are we still immune from police not being able to question us? I think unless you have walked in an officers shoes, it is awfully easy for the rest of us to cast stones. Yes I have friends in law enforcement, yes I am a bit touchy about the bashing of police. Here are some really dumb laws in Ohio......enjoy. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/ohio

They felt they had a reason, and I would have complied with their wishes and appeased them. Of course I would not be open carrying to begin with, this would have never even occurred were I him..

Yup and seems they did that, the guy was just being difficult and an asshole in my opinion. What would have been maybe a few minutes ordeal now turns into this.......and for what? I obviously see things differently, and I would not have handled it like he did "thats me". Bet I would have shook hands with the officer and we would go our separate ways. Yeah open carry is legal, yeah it draws attention, yeah it can cause problems. Here is the cure, conceal carry if you have a CHL "no problem". This shit will continue to happen, and this shit will continue to draw unwanted attention for us carrying gun owners. That is the public eye we are in, it will not be changing anytime soon.

And we currently don't know what was given or not by the gun owner, that is the issue here. He had the right to invoke silence, but how he did that still sounds like it was handled poorly by the gun owner. "Why are you wearing an open gun"? Proper response: I am a CHL holder in a bad part of town, I am fully abiding by the law and my right to open carry. "Can I see your id or proof of CHL"? Sure officer, but I have it out in my car. My name is blah blah blah and I live on blah blah blah and I was more on blah, is that enough information? See how easy this all would've been?

And I will bet my ass that there is much more info and details to the story that we are not being told, typical media tactic and flaw. And for every bad cop, I can show ya 10 good ones. How much positive interactions with law enforcement makes the news compared to the few bad? This down below is good enough for me...... “Had he been truthful with the police and simply provided his identification so that they could have quickly ran it, that encounter would have been over very quickly, within a minute or two,” Reiss said. Open carrying a firearm without a license in Ohio is legal in most circumstances. Call does have a conceal and carry license (CCW), but Reiss said Call did not immediately provide police with his CCW, driver’s license or admit that he drove to the gas station. “Given the time of the day, the location, and the fact that convenience store/gas stations are typical targets for robberies in the middle of the night,” Reiss said. “It would seem reasonable in the eyes of a police officer to ask someone who was carrying a gun if it was legally permissible for them to do so.”

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawFactsPamphlets/Pages/LawFactsPamphlet-21.aspx Just comply, attitude is typically paramount in this type of predicament. There appears to be a fine line as usual with situations like this, do what they ask so you can go about your merry way. If you typically show an officer respect, they will show it back "in my experience". Where are the Leos on the forum, would sure love to hear their side of the story concerning this? If the gentleman did in fact simply provided his name, address and date of birth and invoked his right to silence, then he was fully within his rights and the officers were wrong to do more. They would still need to call in and check him out, which was all they were asking him. But had he had the CHL on his person, that right there is all the proof he needed. I just don't see this as a big deal "maybe because I have friends in law enforcement". I just don't see this as infringement, I have nothing to hide nor will I be recording a stop. I fully respect how many of you here would react or respond in a situation like this, for me I will just comply and save myself some hassle and potential implications. "Police have the power to approach persons and ask them questions. Simply because you are approached and questioned by the police does not mean you are suspected of having committed a crime. All citizens are encouraged to cooperate with the police so those who break the law can be brought to justice, but, with one exception, discussed below, you have no legal duty to answer any question, and you may refuse to answer. This is called the right of silence. You should never lie to a law enforcement officer, however. If you do, you can get into trouble for “obstructing official business.” "If the police “stop” me and ask me questions? Suppose you are walking down a street when a police officer confronts you and says: “Stop. I need to ask you some questions.” A person is “stopped,” or “detained,” when an officer uses enough force, or a show of authority, to make a reasonable person feel he or she is not free to leave. If, in addition to calling out for you to stop and using his or her authority to make you stop, the officer also pulls out a weapon or uses a threatening tone of voice, it would be even clearer that you have been "stopped." If the officer interferes with your liberty to move about, he or she should first have a reasonable suspicion that you have been involved in a crime. The officer would need to support this suspicion later (should the matter should wind up in court) by referring to specific facts that prompted the suspicion". "The police do not have to tell you that you are a suspect or that they intend to arrest you, but if they use force or a show of authority to keep you from leaving, they probably consider you a suspect, even if you were the person who called the police. If they read or recite your Miranda rights, they suspect you have committed a crime". "You have the right, if you are stopped, to refuse to answer any questions for any reason or no reason. You can invoke your right to silence by saying, "I refuse to answer any questions" or "I want to speak to a lawyer" or "I wish to remain silent." If you do not clearly invoke your right to silence with such a statement, you may subject yourself to continued questioning by police". "There is one exception to your right to silence: According to Ohio law since April 2006, if you are in a public place and under certain circumstances, you must give your name, address and date of birth to an officer. If you fail to provide this information under such circumstances, you will be committing a fourth-degree misdemeanor and may be arrested".

And so do citizens......

KARMA will shine on you in a good way soon.