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I was always impressed with the Dakota pickups and just how tough they really were. I think the first gen trucks didn't let that reputation down any. I still see many first generation durangos on the road and they are fast approaching 20 years old. I loved the R/T 5.9 and the shelby ones when they were new. I was also impressed that dodge saw the direction the "midsize" SUVs were heading and hit the ground running almost a decade before Chevy dumped the S-series for the trailblazer and ford plumped the explorer.

 

the second gen trucks were kind of a letdown by comparison, mostly for the rust issues that made them look beat up before their time.

 

I like the new ones. After hitting a soda palette in the road last night the wife is hating lowered "sporty" cars and wants an SUV. The new R/T durango was the second thing I thought of after a subaru XV (because manual). The SRT GC did wonders for the image of the grand cherokee, I'm hoping the same happens here.

The first gen Durango was great, but the second gen was a Daimler-led abomination. It looked like a sad hippopotamus. I actually like that the current gen takes cues from the original. Let's just forget about everything Daimler did.

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because he's grabbed all the eagle pussy in the District of Columbia already;)

 

 

by the way I was not being sarcastic in any way. Big V8 hammers is what the american auto industry does best and we need to get it in before gas spikes up to $5 a gallon again. Also cars like this make others in the line seem more awesome by association and FCA needs to move some durangoes. It's an awesome car and I applaud anybody who buys one (because I want one in the used market).

I'm waiting to be the 3rd owner of a Hellcat, but the 2nd owner of a Durango ain't bad either.

Actually the Durangos sell pretty well, but are capacity constrained so you don't find as many on dealer lots. They're built in the same plant as the Grand Cherokee, and they build as many of those as possible. Not as many Durango’s come off the line. Which is too bad, because it's probably one of our best cars. It even won a Car and Driver SUV comparison last year, which is a big deal for our cars! Lol

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Turn it off from the regular cruise control? or either you use CC with it or you don't use CC at all?

Our cars have standard cruise and ACC. You can use either one if your car has ACC. Not all companies do that.

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Seriously, I don't want that gimmicky BS, and not only that but it looks stupid.

It's optional. Press photos are usually fully optioned vehicles.

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Is there a way to get these cars without these systems? or are they heading to being mandated?

 

I like cruse control, but I also like driving so an adaptive cruse control doesn't seem like a thing that I want. now get off my lawn.

It's optional, for now. You can always turn it off, even if you do have it. In the near future AEB will be on most/all cars; it's essentially mandated at this point buy almost all OEM's announced fitment ahead of a mandate.

A good ACC system is wonderful to drive with. A crappy one is annoying. Not all are tuned equally.

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That scares the shit out of you when you try to time a person turning right and you don't brake, just trust they will be through the turn by the time you get there. The car stabs the brakes and screams at you. LOL I forget from time to time the system is armed and ready. LOL

That is probably the number 1 "complaint" with this (and our competitors) system. There is a lot of work to tune for this, but there if that car does come to a stop then it may be too late to brake. If you look at the data there is virtually no difference between a stopping and a vehicle slowing down for a turn, up until the time of the warning. I know that's not the best explanation, but we're working on it ~everyday. If you get them a lot and find them annoying you can adjust the sensitivity through the UConnect settings.

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The heck is that thing in the bumper

Probably the ADAPTIVE cruise control that detects something in front of it and slows down... These failed a LOT on toyota due to snow, dirt, etc blocking the view so it always thought something was in front of it.

 

If the price was not so high I would definitely buy one. I loved having a quick family mobile.

Yup, it's the radar sensor for Adaptive Cruise Control, Forward Collision Warning, Collision Mitigation System, etc.

It's a Bosch sensor that you'll also find on the front of Audi and Porsche. It does have a heated lens, so snow and ice should melt off but there are a lot of variables. The sensor can detect when it's blocked and shut the system down, so not sure what Toyota's issue was.

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if it has a third row, i'm intrigued

Grand Cherokee is 2 row, 5 pass...Durango is 3 row, 6 or 7 pass (middle row can be two captains chairs or bench)

Waiting for that Eco diesel wrangler

Hang in there.

Dodge is crazy, and I love them, but I don't see this selling well. I imagine it'll have to be 60k+ since an R/T AWD with a few options pushes it over 50k pretty easily. Seems like a buyer in that range would either spend a little more and get a Hellcat (car or Jeep) if it's just a toy, or save a good bit of money and go with an R/T if they really need a 3rd row and are adamant about buying a Dodge. Maybe a Scat Pack type package to get the 6.4 in a base model R/T would do better. Very cool SUV regardless.

The Scat Packs are basically the old "SRT Core" model, they aren't base cars with a bigger engine. Not sure when they'll announce prices but a Citadel Anodized Platinum AWD starts at $47,700. You can load it up with another $10k in options, so I would think $55-60k is not out of the question. I was at a Buick/GMC dealer last night and a new Acadia SLT 1 with few options, FWD, V6 was $44k, so I don't think the Durango pricing is unreasonable.

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I'm assuming if this is a sales success, a Durango Hellcat is not too far behind?

I don't think there is any Hell-rango in the cards, but they have said there will be a Jeep...

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And a claimed 0-60 of 4.4 sec

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For when the Jeep SRT is just a bit too small...

476 HP

470 LB FT

AWD

Adaptive damping

6-piston, 15 Inch Brembo's on front

4-piston, 13.8 inch Brembo's on rear

12.90 in the 1/4 mile

8600 lb towing capacity

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Nice Jeep! Thanks so for supporting the team!

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"the fastest factory built street legal drag car ever"

 

This thing is cool for sure, but that term is kinda hokey. Like they created a class so that they could call it the fastest.

 

Not independently the fastest factory built, not the fastest street legal, not the fastest drag car, but all boxed up this way.... Fastest lol.

Those were my words not Dodge's, and I said it like that because I don't know if it will be faster than the Drag Pak cars (including the COPO Camaro and Mustang.) But Drag Paks are not street legal, don't meet emissions, don't have airbags, windshield wipers, etc.

The Demon is the only car to ever come from the factory with drag radials, with a special compound developed for the Demon. It meets emissions, safety, and noise regulations, comes with a warranty, etc. It will be the quickest 1/4 mile factory car, period. Some people think that means low 10's, other rumors put it solidly in the 9's. You won't have to create a special category to call it fast.

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The Hellcats get over $70k. So I'm sure close to $90k is more realistic.

 

 

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Yeah, I'm sure it will be up there, but not sure about starting price. Hellcat's start at $60k, so not sure if Demon alone will command a $30k price bump. According to the latest info on AllPar, the Demon can be ordered with or without a passenger seat or the crate of tools/skinnies, which will add to the price. There is a HP upgrade, gearing change, race gas (E85) tune, line lock, additional charge air cooling, special drag settings through the radio, revised launch control, shift lights in cluster, and supposedly an auto and a manual version. This will be the fastest factory built street legal drag car ever produced.

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I agree. Once the news came out, a lot of news outlets really focused on that, but I assume the passenger seat will be an option. I'm sure a strong majority of the cars sold will see very little track use. I think the tool box idea is pretty neat, but definitely won't help keep the costs down.

Everything I've heard is it will be very limited in numbers and higher in price. Not sure if it will command more than $90k, but I assume the $70-80k range is an easy assumption.

I think there will be ones that see the track and others that only see Cars and Coffee parking lots.

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Tom Coddington was a Chrysler Engineer and part of the factory backed Ramchargers drag racing team in the 1960s. Nice tribute, surprised they didn't go with Tom Hoover though.

 

This thing is shaping up to be pretty insane. After hearing it will come with one seat, I was worried it would end up as a track only car like the COPO and Cobra Jet, but it seems like they've figured out a way to make it a legal street/strip animal.

Sounds like the one seat thing is somewhat optional, if you believe AllPar. Sounds like you'll be able to check a box for a passenger seat.

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The car comes with a crate the has 18 components that maximize the Demon's flexibility, exclusivity, and collectability.

This includes Demon Branded track tools, matching spare wheels (skinnies for the front), and Demon Track Pack System. Each crate has a personalized plate.

Some are already claiming the numbers on the plate are a hint at 757 ft lbs and 1121 HP...but who knows.

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Should probably add this in..

 

GM does not have to report a used car being resold as a lemon.. In other words in the state of Ohio GM has the right to sell used cars that were lemon returns without disclosing it was a lemon..

 

GM also has the right to not disclose all service records, so when you do a car fax, if a car was in the shop 100 times in a year, it may only show the scheduled oil changes..

 

I found all this out when i got the lawyer and sued GM..

 

Ford/Slowpar/etc.. all under federal law have to disclose this information in the state of Ohio.. Just not GM..

Why does GM get special treatment? That's F'd up.

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That makes sense. They keep pushing the SC Whine in the videos too.

The car is ridiculously loud.

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Any clues on the meaning behind the license plate?

One theory seen in the forums is that 35 in Hg = 17.2 psi, so they think it means a 2576 cc s/c @ 17.2 psi.

Stock Hellcat is a 2380 cc s/c @ 11.6 psi.

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Any clues on the meaning behind the license plate?

It's a hint for something, but your guess is as good as mine.

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01.26.2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich.

Where there’s smoke, there’s tire. This fact will be confirmed when the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon roars into its New York City debut in April, ahead of the New York International Auto Show.

The third teaser video, unlocked January 26, reveals that the Challenger SRT Demon rolls on upgraded lightweight 18 x 11-inch wheels and “Demon Branded” 315/40R18 Nitto NT05R tires front and rear, making Demon the first-ever factory production car built with drag radials. The new “Demon Branded” Nitto NT05R drag radial tires were specifically designed and developed exclusively for the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon using a new compound and specific tire construction.

The new Challenger Demon wide-body is laser clearanced, and the entire chassis is e-coated for durability before final assembly.

The combination of the 11-inch-wide wheels, high-profile drag radials and integrated fender flares adds 3.5 inches to the overall width of the Challenger SRT Demon for an intimidating, purposeful stance.

Fans should visit http://www.ifyouknowyouknow.com to binge on the 27-second “Wide Body” video multiple times, along with other teaser videos, to learn about what’s next from Dodge and SRT.

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^^ that's still not instilling much confidence. Just my opinion.

Understood. The early Volts (beginning of the first model year) had some known issues with the chargers. I was told all 110V chargers were being replaced with a later hardware revision. Pretty much all the early ones would fry after a while. It was a supplier design issue that was changed (Lear).

Take the charger issues away and I had a seat heater module go bad. Big deal. Covered under warranty. Nothing like the laundry list posted above.