Thanks for the replies guys. I went and sat on both an 1800vtx and a yamaha road star 1700, and listened to them both run today. . . I honestly liked the feel and sound of the road star better, so I think that's what I'm going with. I may be picking up a used 2004 road star with a lot of extra accessories and such for just over 8,000 with just over 9,000 miles. . so not a bad deal. Going to look for another week, I know now is a good time to buy before the weather gets good and people get that spring fever and take all the used bike inventory