This isn't something that I like to admit, but, the second day I had my car (2001 trans am), I took it to trails. Stock tires, stock everything. It was also my second day ever driving a stick, so, have some mercy on me. I was sooooooooo nervous out there. I roasted the tires completly through first and second. missed third and fourth COMPLETLY, and went strait to fifth. Drove the rest of the quarter in 5th, as I was too nervous to think about putting it back into third. smile.gif . I've since improved GREATLY. oh, and I'm not gonna admit my time, but that GTO you ran, would have spanked my ass.