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It's all good. You just crack me up. I was literally just saying, "here's this." I never said I agreed with it, disagreed with it, or was sharing to lol at. You made an assumption as to why I shared it.

 

I didn't make any assumptions about why you shared it. I just said that James O'Keefe was a dipshit and that I, personally, didn't want to share stuff without doing a bit of research about the source. That's literally all I did. I don't know or care why you posted it.

 

As for you not wanting to spread misinformation, disinformation, lies, or propaganda. just...lol.

 

Jeesh. Always going after me.

 

You can discuss things in a civil manner. You choose not to then ask why folks don't reply. It's really quite simple.

 

From where I'm sitting, you didn't start a discussion. You posted a video and then explicitly left any following commentary open-ended. I chose to sidestep the contents of the video and make a note about the source being a dipshit.

 

Seems like if you post a video and then explicitly say, "I don't have any opinion about the contents of the video, I'm simply posting it," you kinda open the door to get what you get in response.

Holy fuck. I knew someone would completely ignore the disclaimer. Can you not just have a discussion without making assumptions or going after someone? :lolguy:

 

What assumption did I make? You admitted to posting a video from a known liar without doing any research into him first. If you want to keep doing that and posting disclaimers first, go for it. I just said I personally wouldn't do that. I think that's food for thought.

 

Sorry you thought I was "going after" you.

James O'Keefe is a dipshit. Personally, if I know nothing about a "news" source, I'm not going to spread their message. I don't want to play a role in spreading misinformation, disinformation, lies, or propaganda. I think it's worth taking 5 minutes to read up on the source before I help them out with their agenda. Food for thought.

greg I agree i haven't seen it in the news..is it ev only?? maybe it isn't being covered as closely because it's a state only issue and not in the national spotlight..imho

 

I've heard it's going to be all vehicles.

This is all a distraction from the talk about Republicans raising the per-vehicle registration fee in Ohio to $2000 a year. I wonder why the media isn't covering this???

Nearest I can tell the quote from Herny [sic] Rollins is: “Cynicism is nothing but intellectual cowardice," which is different from what Kerry said, although similar, but it's not like that's an original thought by Rollins either, so... I'm not seeing the plagiarism.

 

Score your point, though. I'm just here to google stuff for y'all.

You're wrong.

It doesn't say estimate or plan or anything.

 

Are you looking at the ame screenshot I am?

Facebook screenshots.

Look, Republicans right here in Ohio could increase the $200 per year plug-in registration fee to over $2000 per year and expand it to all vehicles. There's already been talk of them doing that.

Where is this 8 cents a mile coming from besides a screenshot of some Newsmax coverage.

Lol front butt

Thinks staying healthy and eating right is important for fighting covid, buys so much bulk bacon at Costco he's concerned about the price.

 

 

Still, I laughed.

Are we talking about track cars or street cars? yeah, if you are looking for a car to gut and tinker with constantly in chase of lap times, 944 isn't as heavy a pig as a 928 and for a long time they were $1000 cars running all day.

 

Well, going back to Clay's OP, something in the middle, right? A weekend car that he can take to the occasional track day. I'm just saying, I've never seen a 928 at the track. I have no idea if the engine would grenade after 20 minutes due to oil starvation, I have no idea if the brakes would cook, if it would overheat, if the transaxle would shatter.... Hell do they even make track pads for them? All things to consider. Even occasional track days are going to find every car's weak points, and a 928s weak points sounds expensive to fix.

 

Maybe they'd make a good occasional track day car but it doesn't seem like a lot of people are trying it, possibly because the affordable ones are gonna be slower than a Miata and the fast ones are gonna be prohibitively expensive.

the broken promise..potential..

 

FiveThirtyEight and others did some reporting over the last few years that shows that politicians do better at keeping their promises than voters tend to think, but at the end of the day they're all going to break promises. Most famously in my lifetime, "Read my lips."

 

Trump did worse than most, but that's mostly because he winged his entire presidency and was willing to make outlandish promises with absolutely no plan or hope of ever executing them (still waiting for that Obamacare replacement).

 

Did you run to CR every time Trump failed to execute on one of his promises? Did you vote for him anyway? Did you expect me and Kerry and the handful of other democratic voters to be so crushed by this revelation that we'd rethink our life choices? What was the point of all of this? Why are we still talking about it?

 

and i thought you said you were in IT..we all know you do better than $400k..

 

Damn, I didn't realize I was suppose to be making that much. Need to have a talk with my boss

what did you buy that's being 2x taxed??

 

Ford C-Max. I pay a gas tax every time I fill up, and I had to pay an additional fee when I registered it this year because it's a plug-in hybrid.

 

the ohio republicans never said they weren't going to tax ppl making lt 400k..sleepy did.

 

don't confuse the situation

 

Just trying to figure out your chief complaint here. Is it the (potential) tax itself, or is it the "broken promise" of a politician you didn't vote for and never planned on voting for in the future?

I'm ok paying the gas tax to repair roads and bridges..so I don't know where you got the idea i don't.

 

You still bounce around the main thought..if the feds place a vmt it will adversely affect those who can least afford it..whether it's the least of your thoughts is neither here nor there..it will tax those who make less than $400k...does this sound familiar .."no new taxes"..but it wasn't the reason he wasn't re-elected

 

I bought a $13k used car 5 years ago and the Republicans in Ohio are hitting me with the same sort of "double tax" that you're complaining about here. And I make less than $400k a year. Some poor pizza delivery guy buying a $3000 2004 Prius is going to get hit with an additional registration tax as well.

 

Is this an issue you're actually passionate about?

I see 944s at the track every time I go. Never seen a 928. I assume nobody wants to deal with Porsche parts prices and v8 reliability issues for a car that's still slow. The later models that actually made some power are prohibitively expensive, is my understanding.

I guess TECHNICALLY it is not mandatory as you have the choice to leave your job/lose your livelihood. IMHO, being told get the shot or get fired is pretty mandatory. So first, hospitals started the get the jab or get a new job. Then it went to some first responders. Then it went to state employees. Then some private employees.

 

I don't know enough about some of those categories to have an opinion, e.g. first responders. My understanding is that, in Ohio at least, the health care employee vaccine mandates were all implemented by the hospitals themselves, which would fall under the libertarian-friendly "employers can set whatever rules they want" ideology. I imagine any first responders required to be vaccinated would be under a municipal policy, which I would generally be uncomfortable with, but I'm not familiar enough with that industry to know if that's typical. Certainly cities would have a vested interested in ensuring EMS isn't putting their populations at risk. It's hard to keep track of all the various state and local policies.

 

Then it went to federal employees. Now it is federal contractors.

 

I'm not comfortable with the intensity of the federal employee/contractor mandate. More information is supposed to come out this week but so far I'm not a fan. I don't know if I'd say I'm "appalled" as a libertarian, to use Mace's word, but this definitely goes too far. There are federal jobs that simply cannot be done in the private sector, and there are federal jobs that don't require human interaction.

 

It is also at the point of all private companies with 100+ workers must mandate employees to be vaccinated or weekly tested. Combine that with insurance companies beginning to only cover the test if it is "medically necessary". (Started to run into that this week with employer now requiring a negative test every 3 days. Insurance will only cover a PCR or Serum test with a doctor's note. They will only cover a Rapid Test when "medically necessary".)

 

I'm generally OK with vaccine mandates if there's a testing alternative, but I think that the federal government needs to continue to pick up the bill for testing if it's going to make that the only alternative. Again, I'm not sure if I'm appalled by the new OSHA rules here, but there's room for improvement.

 

Outside of that, the vaccine is mandatory for many recreational things. Certain restaurants, venues, etc. At some point, it is mandatory without being mandatory.

 

And generally these are private entities making their own rules, although I can't keep track of every local ordinance so who knows. But to your last point, yes, at some point not being vaccinated will be a huge inconvenience. I generally don't have a problem with that as freedom to make choices doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of those choices.

 

Back to the testing, if we are going to require unvaccinated individuals to be tested, why don't we test the vaccinated? They can carry it, spread it, get sick from it, even die from it. If you were truly trying to stop the spread, that would be the most effective method. Utah has actually started this at the school level but, I think if an employer is going to test, they should have to test everyone.

 

I agree 100%. Trump should have started an aggressive mandatory testing program from day 1 like many Asian countries did, and that should have been carried on to this day, even for the vaccinated.

Then why did you say:

 

 

 

So cornfusing. So you read it all before you replied but when you replied you initially thought one thing then read the WHOLE article?

 

Sure, I'll give you the play-by-play. I started reading the article, which is about state programs in Utah and Oregon. It goes on and on about state programs. And I thought, like Kerry did, "What the fuck, does Mace not understand the difference between federal and state governments? Because this article is all about state governments." But I kept reading, and then got to the part at the bottom that talks about the federal initiative in the infrastructure bill, and I said to myself, "Oh, that's what Mace was talking about."

 

Which is why none of my replies accused Mace of not understanding the difference between state and federal governments, even though I initially thought that might be the case... because I read the whole article before replying.

 

Crystal?

 

eta: I hope the irony of you not taking the time to understand what I was saying before firing off a snarky comment at me isn't lost on you.

Well I think the "party of personal responsibility" needs to take a good look at what they think that means. I think everyone has a personal responsibility to get the vaccine if they're able. I think it's the right thing to do as an American. I got vaccinated with all kinds of shit in the name of military readiness and everyone thinks that's patriotic. But people won't get the jab to protect immuno-compromised cancer survivors. "They should just stay home if they're worried about getting sick" says to me "I don't want to bear any personal responsibility for my country or my fellow citizens." To me, personal responsibility means "The government isn't going to force people to get the shot because the government trusts that people will do the right thing." And so there are no vaccine mandates, and look at all the people not doing the right thing....

As far as being a libertarian..i find it funny..when talking about then mandatory covid shots you didn't say anything..as a libertarian you should be appalled .

 

I'm not in favor of mandatory covid shots, and other than cruises there aren't any. What do you want me to be appalled at?

 

Also, everyone should get the shot without being forced to.

Perhaps it would behoove you to read an article or reply in it's entirety before firing back with a snap judgment going forward. Food for thought.

 

Always do, boss.

I believe he is referencing the pay per mile tax that is in the infrastructure bill passed by the federal government and the statement of a federal official to not raise taxes. The state tax on hybrid/electric cars is a separate topic.

 

tl:dr - Federal President, no new taxes <$400k earners. Federal Government, new tax per mile driven.

 

There's federal dollars involved but states will actually be collecting the mileage taxes. I initially thought the same thing as Kerry but then I read the WHOLE article (ahem, Kerry) and I guess it's open to interpretation. It's also pretty clear that Biden was talking about federal income taxes but I don't have a dog in this fight, if people want to call sleepy Joe a liar in this issue I'm not going to get into the weeds.

Did you pay for 2 years? Everything I saw was $100 for hybrid and $200 for plug-in/electric.

 

Yep, 2 year registration.