walther_gsp

I read the books.  The episode was less bloody then I expected. 

Hopefully you dont have any problems with yours. I had a guy in my class years ago and his stove piped about every other round. Probably just a defect but it was concerning at the time.

Probably limp wristing. My uncle had that problem with his in one of my CCW classes. I corrected it and mocked him for it. I think the walther's are prone to it due to being a straight blow back.

Maybe, if I'm back from the cabin at a reasonable time Sunday.

Good description Walther.

To top it off he has moved to like WY or something and doesn't come back to the east coast much. Yet alone to New Philly.

Actually, I think the bigger thing is he'll probably retire soon. He's been threatening it at least since the last class I took from him 7 years ago.

Hmm. Maybe I'll change my plans and do this class after all.

Good description Walther.

To top it off he has moved to like WY or something and doesn't come back to the east coast much. Yet alone to New Philly.

Didn't realize he wasn't in Marietta anymore.

Lol, I know what you ment. I've just wanted to do a Haley class for a while now. One of his home classes in CO then take the rest of the week to check out the area as I've never been there.

He's on my list as well. As is another class with Ken, Vickers, Lamb, Gunsite, TDI, etc...

Not to be argumentative, but he more than meets your requirements. He's been one of the top names in firearms training for a good 35+ years. I'm actually surprised that you've never heard of him.

In terms of having BTDT,

Ken was Vietnam era SF. Co-Founded IPSC & IDPA. He was one of part of the original cadre of instructors at Gunsite under Jeff Cooper (you've heard of him, right?). Still an active LE SWAT officer. He's been contracted to instruct for Delta, various SF groups, German Anti-Terror Units, etc.. I'd venture to guess he's probably taught more US spec ops forces than any other single trainer out there (excepting guys like Vickers or Lamb that were trainers in high speed units).

Christ, I reread that and that post sure sounds like a fanboy. My intent was to educate that there is more to training out there than then latest thing you've heard of on facebook.

I've no doubt that he is and no doubt I would learn something from him. But I'm just not interested in old school and honestly this is the first I've ever even heard of him. I'm interested in the Haley class because its modern and he is a guy that has proven to be top notch in several engagements overseas he is one of the guys you know has been there done that and teaching from experience. The stories he can share and first hand experience he has to build on I don't think one could get at a Hackthorn class. Just my 2 cents though.

Not to be argumentative, but he more than meets your requirements. He's been one of the top names in firearms training for a good 35+ years. I'm actually surprised that you've never heard of him.

In terms of having BTDT,

Ken was Vietnam era SF. Co-Founded IPSC & IDPA. He was one of part of the original cadre of instructors at Gunsite under Jeff Cooper (you've heard of him, right?). Still an active LE SWAT officer. He's been contracted to instruct for Delta, various SF groups, German Anti-Terror Units, etc.. I'd venture to guess he's probably taught more US spec ops forces than any other single trainer out there (excepting guys like Vickers or Lamb that were trainers in high speed units).

Hackathorne is supposed to be amazing.

He is. While he's very much an old school kind of guy (reminds me of my 83 year old grumpy ass kung fu teacher), he still keeps up with the latest/greatest and modifies his approach accordingly.

Super pumped!! I just signed up for a class with Ken Hackathorn!!!!!!! Howie you know you want to join Marshall an I!

http://aliastraining.com/kenhackathorn2-dayadvancedhandgunaugust24-252013-cantonohio.aspx

Hack does a great class. I don't know what's better, the gun instruction, or the new colorful phrases you'll learn from him.

I might sign up for that class. It's been too long since I've done any.

Yes, but you'll need to find one that has bottom metal for that built in. Any of the chassis systems should get you there, Accuracy International ACIS, XLR, Mcree etc.. If you want more of a stock based thing, look at the Manners stock with mini chassis. All the ones I just mentioned all use AI mags. HS Precision has their own mag system thats available in ready to go stocks.

I think we only have an AK pistol in the shop, besides the two SBR AK's we picked up for full auto conversions. If anything reasonably priced comes in I'll shoot you a PM.

Very interesting. Didn't know there were that many changes.

I highly recommend checking buckeyefirearms.org at least semi-annually to keep track of what is going on. They've only changed the law pushing a half dozen times since it's been enacted. Too many folks walk around carrying guns while ignorant of what the current law is.

OP & anyone confused on recent law changes,

I always suggest reading the law. In this case ORC 2923.16

I've gone to the liberty of highlighting salient sections for you.

© No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:

(1) In a closed package, box, or case;

(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;

(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;

(4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.

a) "Unloaded" means

, with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question , and one of the following applies:

(i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that may be used with the firearm in question.

(ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.

(b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:

(i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;

(ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents.

© For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.

(6) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm employing a percussion cap, flintlock, or other obsolete ignition system, when the weapon is uncapped or when the priming charge is removed from the pan.

(7) "Commercial motor vehicle" has the same meaning as in division (A) of section 4506.25 of the Revised Code.

(8) "Motor carrier enforcement unit" means the motor carrier enforcement unit in the department of public safety, division of state highway patrol, that is created by section 5503.34 of the Revised Code.

(L) Divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section do not affect the authority of a person who is carrying a valid concealed handgun license to have one or more magazines or speed loaders containing ammunition anywhere in a vehicle, without being transported as described in those divisions, as long as no ammunition is in a firearm, other than a handgun, in the vehicle other than as permitted under any other provision of this chapter. A person who is carrying a valid concealed handgun license may have one or more magazines or speed loaders containing ammunition anywhere in a vehicle without further restriction, as long as no ammunition is in a firearm, other than a handgun, in the vehicle other than as permitted under any provision of this chapter.

I had a type 3 AC separation, borderline type 4. Physical therapy will be fine, but you'll need to really stay on top of the PT exercises in some form or another forever to keep yourself pain free.

After a few months of PT, you'll be fine to ride. I think I was out from like the beginning/middle of July to early Sept.

In terms of exercise, a bunch of stuff like dips will be off the table forever. Also, you may have to give up benchpress.

As far as martial arts goes, wait a few months after you are done with PT before you do any heavy striking or really exert the shoulder. You'll probably want to avoid any throws or certain joint locks in the bjj for at least a year. I practice shuai chiao (please don't associate me with those SC guys in cbus), and still almost 6 years later I'm pretty particular on how I get thrown or who throws me. Even being careful I've managed to minorly re-injure it. If any of your styles do any strength exercises similar to snake turns over (arm grabs) or muscle restructure (muscle/tendon change set), carefully start in on those after you are done with PT, it'll make a world of difference.

Also looking at doing a Women only class and bringing in a female Instuctor to assist so it will have a females perspective and also a Couples class if anyone has interest in those or another suggestion let me know. Thanks

pm me about the couples class. We've had to develop new rules due to couples attending classes together.

After exhausting most options, I was able to get in to Franklin County. I have to admit that their customer service at that office is outstanding. A little kindness goes a long way on both sides.

Not sure about walk-ins being accepted or not. Most counties are stating "by appointment only", but I have to wonder if I would have been turned away. The young lady told me that counties did not have to be contiguous, but you might have to fill out the application, provide proof if training, and a photo as if it was your initial application if you go through a different county than your original.

Thanks for the input... Medina was my next call. And do call early to make your appointments.

Most counties are stating that contrary to the law, as I posted above. Also, yes you can only apply for a permit/renewal in the county you live or an adjacent (this means connected or physically next to) county.

Once again, here is the pertinent section of orc 2923.125

B) An applicant for a license to carry a concealed handgun shall submit a completed application form and all of the following to the sheriff of the county in which the applicant resides or to the sheriff of any county adjacent to the county in which the applicant resides:

More on this? I've never heard of it.

It was put in because certain sheriff's said applications were only processed by appointment but weren't taking appointments or something early on.

Technically, they can still do it by appointment, but thats just a place in line.

ORC 2923.125

(I) A sheriff shall accept a completed application form or renewal application, and the fee, items, materials, and information specified in divisions (B)(1) to (5) or division (F) of this section, whichever is applicable, and shall provide an application form or renewal application to any person during at least fifteen hours a week and shall provide the web site address at which the pamphlet described in division (B) of section 109.731 of the Revised Code may be found at any time, upon request. The sheriff shall post notice of the hours during which the sheriff is available to accept or provide the information described in this division.

As advised by a person in "the industry", I waited for the new renewal laws to take effect before renewing my CHL.... Expiring this week. If I renewed in my legally allowed 90 days prior, I would have had to be range certified (not opposed to it, I just found it redundant). I called today to make an appointment and they are booked through mid-June!!!! Fairfield is booked through mid-May and Cuyahoga, Richland, Delaware, and Licking haven't called me back. I think I may have found a way in, but don't procrastinate making your appointments!

Couple of things. A) Someone suggested Medina to you. I doubt they are adjacent to the county you live in B) The sheriff's dept is required to have posted hours where you can walk without an appointment.

To be fair, the review done by the ATF is a basic legal criteria review, not a full legal review. This means they make sure that the grantor, trustee and beneficiary aren't all the same person, it's signed/notorized and that the Schedule A has actual property listed.

That said, I just looked over an NFA trust written by a lawyer that specializes in these and I told the guy to ask for some major clarification or ask for his money back. All his theory was good, but the way he wrote it and put it into practice made me cringe. Example, stated the trust was funded by $1000, but didn't list that asset in the Schedule A. The schedule A was basically an assignment of property form, which is usually used to document putting non-titled items into trust, which isn't needed with NFA due to the tax stamp (aka title). Then he told my friend to list the Suppressor in the Schedule A. Folks, you can't do this until the transfer is complete. The trust doesn't legally own it until then.

These guys will go on and on about how you need special language in these trusts for NFA items and only they can give them to you. By and large that is crap. The theory is that a trustee has a fiduciary duty to the trust and by using an item you are decreasing its value and thus not fulfilling your duties. OK, so add a line that says trustees can use trust property without regard for depreciation and you are set. If I recall, the ORC basically states allows for that in the law, without regard to the trustee powers listed in the trust itself.

So all that said, both flounder and kiggy are wrong, and both flounder and kiggy are right.

If I could have found an attorney to do it for $200, I would have gone that route. Since I wasn't interested in all the other stuff Gump mentioned at the time, I did it myself using a sample template from a gun forum. It worked, no problem.

There is a portage county prosecutor that does it for $150.

At the end of the group buy list, Dale mentions that dealer-dealer transfers are ~2 months and the form 4 are 6-12 mo. With all of this panic buying going on, I'm not surprised, just sad that its going to take a year after payment to see any return.

Those timelines were the case long, long before the current panic buying. It is more a function of suppressors/sbr's becoming more popular and the NFA division being short staffed due to DOJ hiring freezes.

Shop around. I found a gently used Citori White Lightening for $1200 a few months back. They MSRP for 2k and sell for 1800 new.

Both of you are responsible for the ass beating he is going to get. I hope you can sleep tonight.

Technically, I'm responsible for all of it. I created the monster. I pushed him towards the ccw thing, then built his first AR for him, etc... aka gave him the first hit on the crack pipe.

Nice, which suppressor.

I'm going to recommend the Phantom Ti 30 cal for him. Fits his usage, price range, etc...