ped

I don't normally weigh in on the AFJ/OR drama because I don't really care to get involved. But you say 'they" like you aren't part of this group. If I'm not mistaken, you are posting on this forum. If you have such a big problem with how people on here act and what they post why don't you get the fuck out? Stop acting like a fucking clown

If you have such a problem with what I post why don't you go fuck yourself instead of acting like a typical OR bozo dick squeezer?

Get a life already outside of Brandons forum.

That's rich. So when was the last AMA race you were in again?

Right. It's all about image so they can act like they have the moral upper hand in their next 70 page drama thread bashing the junkies.

Only the most vain, narcissistic twat couldn't see through it.

I think this thread has been mostly supportive, aside from a couple jokes (and the actual results) but ped is obviously one of brandon's friends, and doesn't like it when we wish him luck.

why say it if you dont even mean it?

Exactly..

wow, seriously? you're really bad at reading comprehension aren't you?

and it's pedaling: the act of propulsion with your legs, utilizing your feet on pedals

not peddling: the act of traveling about, selling things

Fascinating.

That means: captivating: inspiring a great interest or attraction

There are plenty of threads for this shit. Don't turn this one into another. I'm not being two-faced nor back pedaling. There's no need for this drama in this thread. Period.

Of course you're not pumpkin.

Wow and you called him two faced and back peddling

It is pretty sad to look down on someone reaching for their dreams when they are having difficulties.

You mean like bashing him and his race shop?

I'm thinking that the words "battery tender" are being used generically for a group of charging devices that do not limit the total charge. In other words, chargers that don't shut down when they are about to damage the battery.

That much is true. If you built a simple charging circuit without limits, it would have to be watched so it wouldn't overcharge.

If you buy a decent charger that has a built in limit sensor, that problem is avoided.

The cheapest motorcycle battery charger sold by Deltran Battery Tender is the Junior 12v. The one with a basic wall wart and output wires to big alligator clips. It is capable of preventing an overcharged battery. And is safe for all batteries: acid, gel, AGM, and lithium. I'll guess that most good brand cheap chargers are the same. (Except fake/bogus products made in certain unnamed countries. Good luck with that.)

http://batterytender.com/motorcycle/battery-tender-junior-12v-at-0-75a.html

Yes, I use a Battery Tender Junior 12v. I've even used dumb car chargers on 2amp and monitored them with VOM so they wouldn't overcharge. Probably not a good idea. Again... my bike batteries are 10 years old and 5 years old and still work.

What you're not understanding about that is the voltage monitoring is to switch between absorbtion and float voltage thru the feedback loop. It will always put out at least 13.2v (float) continuously. That's what a float charge means, a constant charge. That is where the problem comes in with AGM batteries.

They don't lose their voltage like a flooded cell does. So the microprocessor in that unit never is utilized because all it does is switch between absorbtion, which is when the battery gets below a set voltage, say 12.55v, and float. The AGM will never need absorbtion (or float for that matter). Your bikes battery will lose the same charge in 12-14 months as a FLA will in one month. So this thing just sits there putting in a constant 13.2v charge for months on end to a battery that is not self-discharging. Your battery not only doesn't need it, but is very sensitive and easily damaged by over-charging because they're sealed.

Not only all of that, but AGM's have much less internal resistance further exacerbating the issue.

So what happens? Well you get the vast majority of people claiming 1-3 years real world lifespan on a battery that should at least be going 8-10 years.

You don't find it odd so many peoples batteries are dying prematurely?

http://www.batteryspec.com/html/ChargingInformation.html

Im def not complaining about my batteries, when I dont keep them on a tender they will not start in the spring. I keep them on during the winter and it works perfectly and any time they sit for longer than a week I keep them on. So I am going to continue using my tenders on all my batteries.

You just said you've been selling them for 10 years. So when exactly is the last time you didn't use a tender? If your bike isn't starting in the spring did it ever occur to you that something is wrong with your electrical system? Did you have a flooded cell battery the last time you went without a tender?

If it's been 10 years like you imply then you probably did. Those type of batteries need a tender. But we're not talking about those here, we're talking of sealed batteries.

lol first time i have heard someone say something bad about a tender..... seriously and I have sold them for almost 10yrs......

No one is saying anything bad about tenders. What's being said is that AGM's are very distinct from old style FLA's that haven't been used in bikes for over ten years. You're not getting the WHY you don't need to use or should not use tenders on modern batteries.

Again it's very basic.

-Flooded cells self-discharge at about 15% per month. Sealed batteries self-discharge about 1-3% per month. A battery tender is not needed.

-If they boiled electrolyte they cannot be replenished with distilled water. They're sealed. Flooded batteries MUST gas to reach full charge. They gas under float charging. That is fine because you merely add water every year or two. AGM's cannot have water added so they are extremely sensitive to over-charging.

AGM's are what is termed "valve regulated." They don't gas unless they are extremely over-charged. Once they start to gas, usually at 5psi, they are done for because they cannot be opened and replenished. That is what is happening when all these people's batteries fail in a year or two. They're not short-circuting. We know this because they will have a 12.7v+ reading but will not crank the bike. If they are shorted internally they would read 10.5v. This isn't the case. Just ask the next time a thread is started about a dead battery.

You're paying high dollar for these batteries because they are "maintenance free."

http://www.progressivedyn.com/battery_basics.html I am not saying all your comments are wrong but . Not quite sure were you got all your info but I think you may want to read up a little on batteries. http://www.yuasabatteries.com/videos.php

You just posted a link to FLA's. That is not what you have in your bike. It's the primary point here. You have sealed AGM in you bike.

Not only did you prove you're totally out of you league here, but your link stated exactly what I just said. Flooded cell's lose 4% charge per week....that's why they need a tender. Your batteries lose about 1-3% per month or about 10-15X less.

Here are some videos that may help also. BTW my sealed yuasa is going on 11years old and is just showing signs of giving up.It lives on a Battery Tender all winter and 90% of the rest of the time.

Exactly why are you putting it on a float charger? What's the point in that? Seriously I want you to explain to me exactly your reasoning of putting it on a tender.

Get YUASA or Biketrasher and simply put a battery tender on it....done. Seriously, sitting kills these little batteries but if you keep a tender on it it will be nice and fresh when you need it. I got 6yrs out of my Yuasa..... and have some biketrashers in a few other units that are doing fine at 2+yrs.... just sayin

No. Sitting kills lead acid batteries not sealed ones. Overcharging with a battery tender kills sealed batteries. That's why everyone is only getting a few years from them. Sealed batteries can sit a LONG time and not self-discharge. That's why they make good UPS batteries. Their rate of discharge is about 10x less than traditional batteries.

On the other hand you will sulfate them if you try to charge them too much like with a battery tender. It assumes you're charging a lead acid battery that 1. needs a higher float charge voltage, and 2. loses 15% capacity monthly.

A traditional flooded battery is not harmed by over-charging. It merely gasses electrolyte. A gel cell or AGM cannot do that.

It kills me to see every spring 20 threads started about a dead battery that is "only a year old and kept on a tender all winter....I don't know what happened to it'

Here's a hint, throw a voltmeter on you AGM and note is stays at 12.7v-12.8v for 18 months... especially in the cold.

So stop charging the damn things, you're destroying them. That's why yours didn't last. Premature failure due to sulfation. 6 years isn't something to brag about...

yuns got shinko's?

damn serpent owns this thread

if WWI was a bar fight...

Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of a pub when Serbia bumps into Austria and spills Austria’s pint.

Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit because there are splashes on its trouser leg.

Germany expresses its support for Austria’s point of view.

Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit.

Serbia points out that it can’t afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for the cleaning of Austria’s trousers.

Russia and Serbia look at Austria.

Austria asks Serbia who it’s looking at.

Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone.

Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so.

Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene.

Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it?

Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action.

Britain and France ask Germany whether it’s looking at Belgium.

Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone.

Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium.

France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other.

Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it’s on Britain’s side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria.

Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings because Britain made Australia do it.

France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change.

Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting.

America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself.

By now all the chairs are broken and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany’s fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends.

I understand the difference between "true capitalism" and "crony capitalism". I also understand your point about our nation being founded on "liberalism". There is a difference between "liberals" and "Liberals". However' date=' I'm still confused about the whole "Ron Paul is a liberal democrat" rhetoric. [/quote']

liberalism is a principle. what we have right now are christians and "commoners" that are upset over the mosque. they're emotional. not rational and principled. its often politically dangerous to be princpled as it gives fodder to political 'enemies.' and more and more we dont value even basic consitutional principles.

Also' date=' the only reason bankers "control" capitalism is because We The People got lazy and let others do our thinking for us. We get the nation/government we deserve. [/quote']

okay, who said bankers "control capitalism?" that doesnt make sense on any level so i have no idea what you're talking about and i get the sense you dont understand monetary economics much. if you mean intrest regulation then okay. i said they control from the top down. the market isnt the top, money is. they control money itself.

perhaps you might do well to read some RP books and research the role of central banking and the federal reserve in our country. as well as the history to their opposition, which goes back to the start.

its essentially one giant scheme to ensure the rich get richer through constant inflation.

if you want to understand paul better try starting here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8&feature=related

I think I missed your point here, are you saying that when he defends a constitutional right for someone to be free to exercise that right he is being liberal and traitorous? Oh, I get it, you're saying that the people who claim to be conservative around here don't have any real conviction behind their beliefs when their idealism gets challenged by something that they don't like but doesn't violate what they claim to be a core value.

Don't let me put words in your mouth though.

yes, politics is bullshit. and politicians dont really care about values because their voter base doesnt. and thats all that matters. if you notics the psuedo-two parties we have only go back and forth on what piece of the consitution they care about while the rest can be used for some nice toilet paper.

what we have to choose from today are which ones wont shit on the liberty or two you care about the most.

as for paul being a liberal, yes that exactly what he his. in any other country he would be called a liberal democrat. but we bastardize words in the great orwellian fashion that they basically have no meaning. freemarket capitalism for instance is utter liberalism at its absolute. liberalism is what founded this country, it is its very nature. liberalism means gun ownership as much as it means religious freedom. but nowadays the supposed morons that support capitalism as their second religion have confused it with fascism where corporations and bankers control from the top down.

its funny if you know people EXACTLY like that.

wow ron paul is basically a liberal in disguise. what a traitor. "principles" dont hold water over propaganda R-Paul, get with the program. now tow the lineor else...

heres my $45 a month DSL.

1994 here i come!!!!

Here are my main Pandora stations right now. I'm still training some of them (so they'll still occasionally play stupid stuff), but overall they're not too bad:

Bohren & Der Club of Gore (German Doom-Jazz, plus older jazz and ambient stuff)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh217636588662935132

Katatonia (Originally a metal band, now more depressive rock)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh245787535192739420

Industrial (Lots of Front Line Assembly, some VNV Nation, etc)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh247085401295146588

Legions (Lots of Antimatter and other downtempo acoustic stuff)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh245787775710907996

La Grange (Generally older blues-rock: ZZ Top, SRV, etc)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh245787612502150748

Taake (Old-school blackmetal: Satyricon, mayhem, etc.)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh243377276855635548

Denali (Artsy chick indie, plus some other alternative stuff)

http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh237153083264716380

good shit there!

never heard of Bohren & Der Club of Gore. me likey, thanks.

wonder if they're apart of the Lord's Resistance Army. a militant christian group that kidnaps little girls from boarding schools and makes them fight and kill at gun point.

http://uganda.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_plight_of_child_soldiers

i seriously wouldn't doubt it.

1990? sheesh you're old. i thought we were all in 7th grade right now....

pony boy gonna whip sum socs ass!!! yeah, wooo whooo.

i used to live in a really shit part of town. i mean a total ghetto, but rent was cheap. i had off-street parking though. there was a problem with the locals just walking up in my driveway and hanging out or acting suspicious. so whenever i would catch them i would politely show them the end of my barrel from the window of my second floor apartment and explain that they're on private property and need to leave.

worked very well!

and when we all make $30 a year like the chinese, maybe, just maybe we might start to see through supply side bullshit. or will profit margins not be enough then either? but hey as long as theres some rich suckers in some other country to buy we're good! because we sure wont be able to ourselves. seeing as how workers are the number one consumers of products and all.

also its kinda ironic to be talking about the army corps short comings in new orleans right now dont ya think?

thats enough for me. i can take a hint. god hate christians, got it.

racism is a money making game. gotta find some sort of controversy every now and then to keep it alive.

last time i checked the president had powers of veto and influence and holds as much authority as congress./

Guess you better check again.

The power of the veto would be great - if it were the line-item veto like most states governors have. Sadly, the President often has to pass a shit load of pork packed into a bill that isnt related to the spirit of the legislation at all.

really? you think pork is something new and that it accounts for that much new spending? seriously? and it just started happening under reagan for some mysterious reason? pork is generally in the range of 1-2% of the budget, fyi. not 300%+ as the debt would suggest.

no matter the mumbo jumbo every single one raises debt everytime. fiscal responsability means balancing the budget. not cutting taxes (popular) and continuing spending (popular).

just like every democrat thinks all the countries ills are caused solely by the other guys.

smart enough to kinda understand a little bit to keep you interested, but dumb enough not to realise the game...

Someone needs to adjust their meds.

nuh uh my teams awesome, perfect and and special.