I haven't argued that. I'm only saying the track is not the only option. Myself, for example, I picked one road and rode it day in and day out. I gained a lot of confidence, picked up a lot of speed, and exponentially increased my riding skills by doing that. That carried onto other roads and other corners. I'm without a doubt not the fastest rider (no where close really), but I'm happy with my riding abilities and confident with my riding skill. I'm sure I could have picked up those skills "quicker" on the track, but I would have spent a lot more money and not gotten near as much riding time. I ride because that's who I am. I don't want to go fast and drag knee in every corner, I like to go 55mph sometimes. I also like to power through corners sometimes. For me it's not about how quick I can become confident/fast in a corner, it's getting out and riding around for a couple hours and slowly gaining that speed/confidence. The OP stated in his first line and I quote "so how do/did you all," well it took me a few months of riding the same road. Slowly at first and I worked myself up a point I am happy with. I scroll through the posts and you and flounder are saying the track that's it, that's the only way. You said, and I quote, "The only way to get better is to really do track days," that is simply not true. It's one way to get better, it's the quickest way to get better, but it's not the only way to get better. My point is there are other options besides the track. You push the track because you're an instructor and you race. Others push the track because they've done it. And yeah it's a great thing, but it's not the only answer to how to get better at this particular topic, or anything else motorcycle for that matter.