Moto-Brian

Not possible... They'd have a .0000 spring rate or something ridiculously light rated. It used to be based on I think a 150 pound rider. Thus the light spring rates like .90... Some were lighter in earlier years like to the tune of a 130 pound rider, etc. Today, it seems they are getting it more so...

By the way, this is one of the best threads I have been a part of in a LOOOOOOOONG time. I have to step out for a trip to Staples, but will be back soon. Keep it coming!

True, true. Again, I am willing to help anytime. Just am a busy guy and have a stupid schedule, but if we can ever meet, I am more than willing to help. Buy me a burger and a bottle of water...

Again, track or street - it's all the same. You are talking about rider sag. That is what you need to set that many if not all street guys tend to not ever do. They don't even discuss it in the owner's manuals... The spring rate being discussed is to compensate for different weighted riders. You may be 200, another guy is 150, a third is 300. They cannot cater to every rider and typically go with a middle number to suit the general masses. For example, my weight, I run a 1.0 or a .975 (Two different springs - .95 and a 1.0 for example)... It's tailored to weight for us to get the sag numbers we need and the way we want the stuff to work.

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Sure. If you cannot get the sag where it needs to be or where he wants it to be and is maxed out on spring tension, he is going to need different springs. I'd be more than surprised to see there is softer than 1.0s in those forks for touring... I have been seeing heavier rated springs as of late on a lot of newer bikes and it used to be that we were seeing way too light of springs back in the day. That's certainly part of the equation...

$30 is fair for sure if you are just handing the bike over. In truth, when he does suspension, he sets sag on our shocks so we slap them on and we are good to go. I'm talking about guys that charge $50 and more for the service. WAY crap in my mind... Some guys on here were asking $75 plus to do basic suspension settings and I think that is ripping off fellow riders. Especially newer riders that want to learn. I feel they aren't going to really notice what the bike is doing until they get more seat time. BUT, they certainly can give comments that would paint a picture to point you in the right direction to go with. Like way too soft and plush, wallows around like a school bus, etc... A lot of times, we take a kid that has got a bike and simply clicking knobs. We set it up for proper sag and bounce it a bit and get it "close" and send them out. If it were us, we would start there and probably make changes to suit the rider's riding style. But, newer riders come in and are blown away as to how much better things feel. Suspension is amazing if you have it close to good. It's a struggle if it is way off and typically, it is. Guys run their chains too tight also. This is restricting the travel of the rear end and can create a false problem. Meaning, if the chain was loose where it needs to be, the rear end could travel more and work properly and really feel 100% different with just that change. I also think a lot of times, it is mental. My dad used to click knobs when I would tell him the bike felt weird and was holding me back on things. He'd click some and I'd come back and run faster and tell him it was the change he made. He later told me he didn't change a thing! A lot was in my head. Since, I am not a knob clicker...

Sag is a place to start for sure, but the issue is getting the right sag numbers. Typically, we run 35-40mm of sag on our bikes. That is probably too stiff for your machine on the street, but I suspect that 45-50mm might be a good area to think about. It takes more than two people. You need three. Check out this thread I did back in 2008. Again, the sag numbers were different then and we run more sag now today. So, take the numbers out of the deal and really just use this as a tool to get started. I am more than willing to help in any way I can. You DO NOT NEED TO SPEND $50 TO GET THIS DONE! That's pure bullshit and if I am accessible, I will do it for free. It's easy and quick. http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=13966&highlight=setting+sag

Hey, somebody has got to do it, right?

Here is what he is basing it off of so it appears to be similar to what we sell to the masses. Uploaded with ImageShack.us I gave him free reign really, but wanted to make sure the upper and lowers were like stock and he could do some extra free lance on the tail as it has to accommodate numbers, etc... I can't wait!

Our Race Orange Events at Mid-Ohio will have the new 2011s. They are FREAKIN sweet! Gloss paint this year and some extra sweet surprises await!

We need to discuss that actually. I am going FOR SURE. However, the track day on Monday may prove to be an issue...

I have a Vemar XL in the Limited Edition Carbon Fiber shell. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5889/newvemar.jpg I need this gone. Was asking $150 as they retail for almost $1k. You can find them for $300 new as they were around in 2007-2009. I will drop it to $100 OBO. Let me know. IF you buy it at $125, I will throw in a brand new one that has a damaged shell for spare parts.

Don't hate the player! Gotta represent!! God, I hate my job. Had to get these for a couple of track days in Fontana in a couple of weeks. Hate me more now?

How much you got? I have probably 5 dealers in WI where Supermoto is alive and well. Ever heard of a certain HMC Racing? Mr. Mitch can whip you up sumptin real nice. Or, you KNOW a guy...

This model is JUST a bit heavier, but handles identically as any HD does... Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Why? Is your work computer on the Nazi setting? I do all my images through Imageshack. Why is Photobucket better? I'll switch if you can sell me on it. I'm telling you, Parks. All the cool kids ride KTMs. You don't wanna be left behind do you?

Do it right. (Hand them the swingarm and walk away). Seriously though... They should be able to get it right. Sounds to me they got the powder wrong...

Come on guys... Play nicely! This isn't flow orange anyways - this is FAST orange!

Yup... Started with that same colorway last year... Uploaded with ImageShack.us But, that was so 2010. The new stuff will mimic the 2011 colors.

Gonna suck when I tell Reuben to drop a shop towel in your intakes next time it is over there...

Yes sir... If Paul wants to provide a teaser, he can. Otherwise, you all gotta wait until March!

Uploaded with ImageShack.us Gotta say that winter can't get the hell out quick enough...