Moto-Brian

Just a note - I can get approvals easily enough or sub out pics based on what you all would like. Just for my side of things...

You know I hate you guys. I was supposed to go and hang, but John's last minute decision made things too tough... Rub stated he thought it was a pretty cool track. I'll be there next time. It's cool you went. How'd the Sable treat ya?

The first vid is a TT event. Street course essentially and is part of a series believe it or not. Isle of Man is the most popular... The incident was caused from high speed over elevated terrain from humps in the road. Bike got crossed up under load and when the front touched down and was pointing right, it tank slapped and he was off the bike. Toe slider was metal - looks to be aluminum or magnesium due to the orange sparks as Ti shows white... The second vid is from the DVD Faster. It was a compiled from the DVD and put to the music. Great DVD and highly suggest you guys grab it and watch. After that was "The Doctor, The Tornado, and the Kentucky Kid"...

Again, you are assuming here. There's a lot of technology in these motors and cars themselves. The chassis is not as technical as say an F1 car, but you don't have the things a Ferrari has on a Honda Civic. Let me put this as gently as I can. I have family that is involved with car racing in both NASCAR and road course based stuff. If you think these guys are a click lower than a garage mechanic, you're getting bad info. A LOT of guys are engineers and top level techs that know more than you think. The suspension thing is also funny. These aren't traditional rear ends like you see on an F250 or such... In the end, NASCAR gets a lot of people upset because they think it is Hillbilly racing and that the fans are drunks and live in trailer parks. Maybe so. Maybe a lot are - who can really tell. Whatever your thoughts, I can tell you this from a sports marketing side - a LOT of companies want to be a part of NASCAR. They do it right, they level the field in a manner that allows the drivers to excel. It's becoming a thing that is happening in a LOT of other sports. Spec tires, Spec rules, etc. are the rage in a lot of series. Even F1... The ability to level the field allows for technology to actually thrive and expand. It is also good for fans of course, but it goes well beyond what you might think. Again, you can have opinions, but like I stated, I can give you some pretty good examples that aren't hear say... The R&D on the motors is pretty extensive and not a junk yard special like you all seem to think. These motors are not anything like what is in your neighbors 89 Camaro... They are more related to the Vette series of motors which are pretty damn impressive...

Again, you're wrong about your thought towards this. I am meaning that in a nice way to not offend, but let me tell you it is a LOT of R&D and it does a LOT of trickle down into the car world - even outside the big 3 and US market...

With Suzuki and Honda and seemingly Kaw stating they're not racing with the current rules and the fact that Suzuki has been calling tracks they support and telling them what they are planning, I would say it is so damn up in the air with AMA that your guess is as good as anyone's. Sponsors are going to still want to be a part of a televised series, but honestly, the privateer teams and privateer riders are going to suffer more because they have lost the big names and factory teams... Well, Yamaha is the only one. So far... I forsee a rules change again. They really need to think it through on the homogolation deal...

Oh, I know what you're saying. I've pitted myself against Todd up there to no results. He and his mom are looking through a set of glasses from circa 1999. They don't get it even though it could be MUCH better. But, as usual, people cannot swallow pride and allow themselves to see what people are saying and think outside the box. The only reason I wish well on their series is because of Putnam!

If you are refering to MotoGP at Indy, remember that typically, they get multiple thousands of spectators for Indy and Brickyard events. 100k of folks will look like it is empty... I think Indy MotoGP was pretty damn good. It blew Laguna away and seeing that the presence of all the factories and such are in CA, that's saying a lot. I think it will actually be better next year. The Indy folks know the system and know how to handle things concerning large crowds. If the weather is shit again, it may fall, but if it doesn't, I suspect that 150k is possible...

I was refering to real racing... My mom can drag race... She does it at every red light once it turns green... J/K... I was actually refering to what Chris was talking about in terms of a series. But, yes, drag racing is definately a source for certain R&D, but doesn't have the pull other series mentioned do.

Yeah, FT needs to wake up and realize it is 2009 almost and think about getting in more members. Running Nelsons is going to end that club if they don't do something. I saw that a lot of grids are at most, 5 riders. That's totally sad... More at Putnam would be helpful. Getting a putnam date early and even at the end would be awesome so you can learn, take notes and come back and get better. That's racing. But seeing the track once a year never seems to help because of things like you said - weather - being a factor a lot of times. Putnam has been their largest amount of registered and post registered riders than any other venue they do. That should say something, but they don't seem to get it...

Name a car that is raced for R&D and technical developement that isn't rear wheel drive... Carbed they are, but realize that the engine platforms are not related to the old 305s and Hemis of the past. The actual technology of the motors are closer to the Vette than they are the Mustang if you know what I mean. The carbed idea is to limit or restrict the cars in and at the Super Speedways and other tracks. It is a tuning device and allows NASCAR to better keep it more level a playing field. Also, the suspnesion is certainly an item of importance and design. These aren't the same as a rear wheel drive Camaro like people think. Again, closer to that of a Vette than a Trans Am... I think it is funny that people think it's all duct tape and mullets when you refer to NASCAR. Go visit one of the race shops in the Carolinas and you'll be amazed. I have a friend who developes and sells the equipment that measures and grades the COT cars. It isn't the old template idea anymore, but people still think it is as if they are racing back in 1979...

Actually, NASCAR does help the factories develope and learn. It isn't as redneck as people think. Racing is a platform that allows them to test things other than what you describe. NASCAR is strong and the fan base is solid. However, when major funding comes from a source that is running on fumes money-wise, they are going to pull back a bit and will greatly change what goes on in the series... Formula One does have a bit more to offer in terms of technology and R&D, but here in the States, NASCAR is actually quite amazing when you look past the stereotypes... The other series like SCCA, Trans Am, and Rolex are actually greatly supported by the factories. GM has really developed and justified their Green technology via the Rolex Series. E85 has advanced much more due to the series than what they could have done via print ads and TV. The series all have their reasonings and are all very sound in terms of developement and research. However, NASCAR is a completely different animal and things from that series actually have a higher level of importance than the others. Plus, the return from NASCAR outweighs the other series TREMENDOUSLY!

Japan has stated they are in a recession. So, they are tightening budgets across the board. However, even though marketing (racing lies under that budget) gets hit first, MotoGP can rest in that it is very much more a part of R&D than just marketing. That said, I am sure budgets are being cut there, too. Meaning, changing some personel, lowering costs on items and services we never see anyways. It will effect them as it will any other race series, but realize that GM, Ford and Dodge all made their beds a LONG time ago and are hurting. When the factories are hurting, they cut things that don't net them a huge return or are under the marketing budgets. MotoGP would be in the same situation if the factories were struggling. They aren't even remotely in the same boat as the big three here are... They will be safe, but some things will get cut as usual when times get a little tough...

Drew and I call September. PMd for details. Just let us know.

Here ya go' date=' Papa. Some two stroke love from me... My first MX bike - an RM250!!

SWEET!! Fresh mud steam!! I loved riding MX. Didn't do much with trail riding although a weekend out at Hollister was pretty cool' date=' I'm not into trails. Supermoto and MX? Yup!! I sold all my MX stuff and am only into the road stuff now. I've had a few lovely beasts. Favorite was this one - 2006 YZ450... I kinda gave up MX due to getting injured. I got hurt worse in the few years I was serious into MX than I have in 14 years of road racing... A result of a trip to Indiana at a pretty well known track: :eek:

Oh, and the one where it combines MX/Track/Street shows Ohio RT 555!

Actually, the first one that you like and the others with pics, have guys and gals from this board doing things in the dirt, track, drag, stunt and race. Even the street guys on there... Shown: Race - Drew Brenner Track - me Drag strip - Busa Stunt (IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONEMENT - not the street!!) - 12 O'Clock MX/Supermoto - me Street - don't have a rider in action, but there are pics with members' bikes on there misc - Troy Racing's AMA team, Girls, member's bikes. I just think a lot of shots of the parties and such are cool, but are in no way really showing the motorcycle side. Crowds where there are bikes and such and even that one with the banner I like seem to tell more of a story. I just think this site unlike others incorporates a LOT of different talents and interests. Unlike the other Ohio board that really has a major focus on maybe two or three aspects, Ohio Riders has it all. Outside of Hill Climb...

Here are a few more with the same basic theme. I want to try something else, but I really like the black and the pics... The first one is shown above in Isaac's post that is enlarged (thank you). #2: #3: #4: Obviously, the pics can be removed and replaced, etc. Just an idea of course...

I'd like a shot with the banner that was in EX's and his idea. Anyone got one?

Here's an update showing 12 o'clock in there instead of the guy I know from Dayton. There's also a shot with a crowd from the few posts back showing the cruiser. I also eliminated what Issac's wife suggested... Anything else to improve it?

Outside sorta stealing my idea and making it better? I shouldn't have posted the design... Nothing against his work as I really like the color and design, but it does somewhat take what I did and made it a bit different...

Look, no Putnam with WERA. Don't ask why, don't stay up late wondering - it isn't going to happen until Sean steps down at WERA or the guy at Putnam dies or something. End of story... Sucks on our end as the last year we raced there in 2003 was the last time we'd get to do it with WERA. Fasttrax runs there and the only time you'd get racing in. I'd suggest joining FT just to do so. I know it is the only venue I run with FT and will again in 09...

If you look at the one I did, it has every brand like Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Suzuki, Yamaha, and even those damn Benelli guys...

Consider it changed. I will update with this pic tomorrow or Sunday. Anyone else with a cruiser or crowd/get together pic?