Moto-Brian

The Duc is actually quite fun to ride. I think the BMW is a total pile and looks like a rolling turd. My $.02... What about the new KTM 990 Supermoto touring: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/05november08_ktm2009.htm Guy from KTM had one and it is really cool looking up close.

Riiiiight. Can't wait for the invoice, though. Wonder if you'll have the balls to send me a check when I win. I know. Let me save you the strain on your over used brain and say "Blah, dickhead, asshole, fuck head" That way we don't have to see it twice...

Retract since moved to the specific forum...

Wanna sell the Brembo separately?

For Angry-ish. Here's a thread started where I actually supported HNW after a member got pissed on trade value and prices... http://www.ohio-riders.net/showthread.php?t=12806&highlight=Honda+northwest&page=3 Here's another good thread read. http://www.ohio-riders.net/showthread.php?t=8390&highlight=Honda+northwest&page=2 Not saying I love HNW, but come on, man. I'm not the Anti-Christ as you seem to think...

Ya know what cracks me up outside your piss poor typing skills and child-like name calling? The fact that you get so worked up over a freakin internet site. Do you truly believe I only visit "Mickey Mouse shops"? I can get info from shops that are reputable and well known from pretty much anywhere in the country. So, if a buddy lives in Atlanta, I know a friend who works at a really good shop down there and can probably get him the best deal in the area. Texas, Florida, the Caroilinas, KY, IN, MI, CA, and probably a few others... It's a system of who you know. If you know the owner really well, he probably is willing to sell a bike to you for say $100 over dealer cost (true dealer - excluding the holdback). You aren't getting that deal from a shop you visit or know via screen names. Maybe you can on certain things... Anything's possible. Point is that I don't know everything, but motorcycles and the motorcycle industry has been a part of what I have done for over 18 years. That number of years has had me meeting a LOT of cool people, I have done a lot of cool things that a majority of people cannot do or never have the chance to do. All that means is that I can shed some light on certain things that are usually in the dark for most people. Does it make me a know it all? Maybe in the minds of some. I just have had the privilege to do so many things that a lot of people haven't. I also have experienced a lot of different things because it is my job. I understand your loyalty to HNW. Again, if you go back and read - even that thread where I think it was about HNW charging for taking some seized up bolts off a wheel (I defended HNW, by the way) - I think they are a fine shop. They do things well enough and surely have a loyal following of customers - any dealer does. Even the shitty ones. However, don't get so damn pissed because someone doubts something. It's a free community here where ideas and thoughts are free to be talked about on a public forum. If your blood gets boiling and you start hating someone you've never met because they don't agree with you - that's sad and no way to go through life. You might be better off staying away from forums and getting back to real life. I'll do the bet you want with a twist. Otherwise, it isn't worth it. You'll lose this and just come back under another name using another email account. It doesn't go anywhere - has no substance. Money at least has you put up or shut up. You really want to ride that train? Cool with me. I'll not sit there and say "I told ya so" or "nah, nah, na na, na". It'll just be what I can get 12 o'clock or anyone I know or help out for this particular bike...

How's this? I'll go away from the site if you win and if I win, you give me $500? I mean, if $500 isn't worth it, then you're too baller for me anyways. That way, you get what you want if you win. If I win, I get to read your wonderfully typed out K-12 responses to brighten my day and get some cash to buy some needed parts for my racebike. Win/win...

Of course, I know you lean off a degree at slower speeds, but I see a picture in my mind of a guy leaned WAY off his bike while it is straight up and down. Like the video games at Dave and Busters...

Street tires in the rain on a track anywhere isn't good. Also, you don't have to touch the brakes to load the front. I suspect you loaded the front with even a little off the throttle. Riders do it w/o knowing... How do you hang off a bike at 25mph?

Never stated anywhere that you were "grossly overpriced". Besides, what charges that have been mentioned are factual and not assumed. If the OP wants the lowest price... you know what I'm saying... Also, being a sponsor on the board doesn't mean it has to be you that people buy from nor does it mean we all have to speak with caution when it comes to saying whether or not you guys are best price/best deal or not. It's totally fine for anyone on a public forum to say what they want. I am simply making sure it is understood that if you charge $175 and $252 in the doc and freight, you're not going to be the best deal for this unit to the OP. No harm, no foul. Your service, customer service, accessories department, sales staff, etc all may be better than where he buys it, but in the end, he wants the lowest price period. He'll take it to where he wants for service and buy his parts where he feels is best. His choice. Others feel those other qualities I mentioned out weigh the lowest price. That's actually how I feel. I like a happy medium and a deal to me goes beyond bottom dollar. But, he also lives closer to Dayton than CBus. That's a factor in of itself... Just be careful in saying stuff as a "salesman" as opposed to a common dude. I'm just trying to help educate. There's been a lot of mis-information in the past and that gets everything screwed up.

Nah, dude, I just get pissed when people think I know it all. I never come on here and tell everyone what I do or what I have experienced within the industry. It's not needed. However, if I can help someone with proper info as to what they are looking for, how's that so wrong. Too often I get tagged with being right all the time. Fact is that if I can learn something, I do. I always am looking to better myself. But, the stuff I know can be of an asset to others when in a time in which they could use good info. Guys like Angrish get pissed because they get too passionate for one particular thing and honestly believe things can't be better outside what they know. It's too bad there are so many narrow minded people out there giving out info that is simply wrong or not the best...

Oh, and let's see what you're made of. You post a copy/scan of your invoice. Black out the name, VIN#, etc. - personal info. If I can beat the deal, you owe me $300 in MX oriented parts or accessories from their shop. If I cannot find a better out the door deal, I will get you $300 of MX oriented product from my sources. We're talking retail price... Since you'r so sure I can't get a better deal...

Hey Angrish - why not pipe down and actually read what the hell I was saying. First, I don't need to buy a damn thing to know what they are doing. Two, who gives a shit if I buy or not. I actually can help people understand what goes on better so they can get the best deal to them. You like paying retail and all the fees? Cool. You can march your shit mouth self to any dealer and play dumb ass. But, for the OP, he was needing the best deal and isn't going to pay big bucks IF he can save good money. My point is that he can go to another dealer that WON'T charge him near as much and he'll get what he wants. By the way, where am I hating offering information as to what goes on in a shop and how they do things? You ever work in a shop? Know what the hell is fact and what is not? Ever worked in the industy and know say, 70 plus dealers where I can send someone depending where they live to get the best deal? You're a freakin' idiot to think that any person who comes on to a public forum should immediately do what every person says. Sure, all those people who have had GREAT experiences with HNW are going to say everything that occurred with them was fine. Maybe they felt they got a good deal. Maybe they did. The deal here isn't good. It can be beat and can satisfy what the OP wants. The best deal. Get over yourself and maybe try to read and comprehend more clearly as to what was being said. Then, once you do that, you can work on some other things. Namely, if you're going to start slinging the BS High School swearing and name calling, at least use proper grammar and punctuation so we can take you more seriously. Otherwise, you look like - how did you put it? Oh, yeah, a Fukn assclown...

Look, if you run a regional program at the novice level, don't go thinking it is going to cost $50k. It doesn't. Hell, there are a lot of experts that can run a regional program for under $50k and do very well. At the National WERA level. MAYBE. Sponsors are NOT going to dish out 6 figures to anyone unless they have some really good idea of what's going on. Too often, people are passionate about the sport and want to help. They throw out plans to help and when they realize the cost, they back down. There are MANY top National WERA guys who are not getting 6 figures. If you have a sugar sponsor out there you know willing to do so like Drew seemingly did, get it all in writing and make sure you don't get put out to dry. It's easy to have happen. As for the regular other sponsors out there, think about this. A company typically spends 1/2 of the in flow of profits into marketing. 1/2 that budget gets put to race support and related. So, $100k is a LOT to put into a program w/o knowing results. You better have some really big results to show in order to warrant that amount. MX riders and Road Race guys get $500k let's say from Yamaha. That's a big dollar amount. They are top level guys out there. Privateers who get support from the factories usually get nothing except product. That has a value, but nothing close. There are top guys that don't get such support. Not saying you couldn't be like some and luck out, but realize it is not something remotely typical. Rare is a better word. But, Brandon - don't give up in thinking you need $50k to race. Now, you want to be the top runner in regional expert class? You need big bucks. The amount has skyrocketed. A lot of the regional guys spend National amounts of money and never really compete with the National guys except one off times. It's crazy that regionally, they dump that kind of money into programs for little to no recognition. But, racing ain't cheap. Never has been. The old saying "Wanna make a million in racing? You have to spend 2 million to do it." applies...

Ok, how's this to satisfy the HNW kids. Ask for out the door price. What the amount on the check needs to be. If that's a good deal to you, carry on. If not, look elsewhere. My point is simple. I understand Yamaha doesn't ship for free. However, the freight charge you get back and the prep you pay out and assembly you pay out in the end at retail, you'd make like 20% total margins. The freight is a number that is specified. I understand. My point is that if a kid wants a deal on a bike, you tell him a deal - even tell him below your holdback. That's cool. BUT, you then add freight on that number. Instead of saying the bike is $4252.00, you tell him it is $4000. THEN add the $252 and fees on top. I don't give two shits about the doc fees and temp tag stuff. I think saying the bike is a dollar amount and then saying freight is additional is deceptive. Just tell him the total for the bike as it is. Because guess what? A LOT of dealers don't do that add on crap. Whatever. You'll keep arguing the point because you're the salesmen. Just realize that there are some on here that know how it works. If anyone wants the best deal on a certain brand, PM me and I'll help you out. You can use the dels to barter with the other dealers.

They're more than rumors. And, didn't say HNW was a bad place to buy a bike. I'm not bitching about anything - just trying to help a guy out and letting him know some things to arm himself with so he can work the best deal. To some people, the best price isn't the key. But, to this guy it is. That's what I was assisting on... As far as HNW not too happy with Pony getting Yamaha, they wouldn't be thrilled. They think Pony cheapens everything. They aren't going to be happy another dealer is taking a piece of the pie demographically speaking. I know they'd be happier to not have another Yamaha dealer in the area... I have no issues with HNW's service and how they treat customers. However, saying they are the best in CBus isn't saying much.

When I posted my racebike for sale, I never got a know-it-all response from anyone. I listed it in exacts and had all available info in hand. Tons of detailed pics and information. Just trying to help. Hell, it's tough enough that you are the middle man on the deal and trying to help a buddy. You have to go to him, get the info and post back. That sucks. Figured I would give you a few ideas of what info to get to better help you out. Honestly, use this thread as a point of reference and post another thread with more info. I promise I won't litter it. However, even in my thread, the posts were corny and a lot of filler was in there. I had to start a new thread just because it got so muddied up...

It's been covered in another thread and guess who are upset by it? That's right... HNW... Not sure as to the exacts how they will do things, but I can promise they will have a low stress buying process (think Saturn where you pay what is listed) and they will also have some really cool things to add that other dealers are not doing nor cannot do. It should be really cool. They also have some really good people in there for the Yamaha side in the likes of Lenny Baker and others who have TONS of experience and also are enthusiasts who aren't playtime riders, but guys who have had pro cards and know a thing or two about bikes.

Dude, you want me to get exact figures? Yamaha doesn't charge freight. It's rolled into the dealer cost. If you want to test that, let me know. You're better off just being quiet and not getting yourself into a deeper hole... Now, if you go and advertise your cost MINUS dealer holdback, then you can probably get freight justified, but it isn't listed as a charge to a dealer. You get the unit to you for the amount listed. Like I stated, CA only charges $30-$50 max for assembly. The max $250 charge is a law set by the State to make sure dealers are gouging customers. There are a LOT of dealers who charge less, but in CBus, that isn't saying much considering the dealers are pretty bad. You then go and say you don't charge any prep fee but you say you are recouping the CA charges. They assemble it or "prep" the unit. So, you DO charge the assembly fee by placing it in the "freight" charge.

What is "freight" on something more substantial like say a CBR1000 or 600?

$252 is a rip off. Plain and simple. A WR250X is VERY easily only $30 for CA to put together. You're taking and plopping in another $222 extra. $175 Doc fees is close if not the max Ohio allows. That's crap. Again, you can charge what you want, but the fact remains that a LOT of dealers will charge you straight up and not claim to have lower prices only to inflate on top with extras. 12oclock - call Gus or Tim at Southside. Or, PM me and I will get you three other dealer names and contacts that won't do this. They won't charge you $427 in overcharged fees and you can get 10% off about anything at any dealership for that amount of time. The 10% is cool - if they didn't charge you the extra amounts they have listed. Lame.

Dude, all we are saying is that he needs to provide more info to better inform the buyer. When you have a website with accomplished racers and other guys who know race bikes, I am going to make sure others know what to look for and what to ask. Reason being is that a lot of race bikes have things that are somewhat "sketchy" when concerning them. Not saying anything, but if he advertises on WERA (he is) then the majority of people on there are in the know. Here? Not as many and I think the resident racers and knowledged members have the right to make sure info is gathered for the not-so-well educated on race bike members...

If so, what are the freight, prep and other fees outside tax, title and license fees?

600? I'd suggest the R6 (06-present) or ZX6R (07-present) I like the newer CBR 600RRs, too. 750? Only one out there. Best bike in my opinion for the street. Not as angry as a 1000 and not as rev happy as a 600... 1000? Pick a color. They are all above anyone's ability level. My opinion is somewhat biased so, I will let you figure what works best for you. They're all really good and the 09 Suzook and R1 are going to be even better... In between machines? 600? There's the R6 Sport. Cool bike and a good step up from an F2 750? Interceptor is a decent choice, but a little heavy and older technology. I'd go with something maybe older in the used area. GSXR or even ZX7R. They were great street bikes... 1000? Try an 06-07 CBR1000. More user friendly than the others in that group. Again, if you want a little less angry... If you want sport touring, well that's a different story and maybe others can chime in. I like the ZX14 best. I actually rode an FJ and really thought it was a good bike, as well. The bags are tough to swallow, but I would say it is a lot better handling bike than some give credit.

I was being nice... You are much more exact and blunt than I was being. I think the price is too much, too. You can buy 04-05 R6s and GSXRs for that range with those simple mods. I definitely think the forks are at BEST valves and shims. The rear COULD be re-shimmed, but I am betting if they were, Max would have changed the spring out with at least a Hyperco. I am betting it is bone stock and MAYBE the oil was refreshed and nitro recharged... It's like any old race bike. If you know what to ask, you can find out the truth. But, if you aren't smart and don't know what to ask, you can end up with a lame duck. Bike looks nice and would be a good track day bike. But, for an additional $500 or even as bold as $1k, you can buy something MUCH better... The 600s were just turd-like and really tough to get competitive w/o making them time bombs. I remember that M4 at the time were making the 01-03s and the 04-05s so damn thin in terms of dependability, that they were rebuilding engines after every event. If you bought one, you most certainly never got one with a true Supersport motor build. Reason being it would have been bad business to sell a bike and three weekends later you get a call from the guy with a blown motor... 114? Doubtful. If so, run and hide as the shrapnel will come flying after a few weekends.