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  3. NRA's media event today: your thoughts?

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    Are you sure they did not. Just like most bills, politicians put some good stuff in there,then stuff it to the rim with shit. Why would the NRA (some 18 years ago)state their approval for legislation that included a ban on firearms and ultimately against what they and their membership want. The question should be,if the legislation was so important why did the politician first try to pass it with an AWB buried in with it.

    Quite the contrary, what I have read is the NRA explicitly mocked the COPS portion of the bill which really had nothing to do with guns. I could understand if they didn't agree with the AWB, but then to go through and mock portions that are non-weapons related just shows it's all a political game. I understand that a lot of bills have additional "stuff" attached to them, but they went out of their way to mock the COPS part of it to score political points because it was a Dem in the Whitehouse. Now all of a sudden, because it's the NRAs idea now, the basic premise of the COPS program is a good idea and they can be hypocritical to score more political points by saying "Obama cut the 'Secure our Schools' funding -- for shame you silly Democrat". Please :rolleyes:

    Main goal of the AWB, I'm sure everyone has their on feelings on this, but history has shown that the 1994 AWB did little or nothing(depending on what channel your watching at the time), to reduce gun violence and/or crime.

    Majority of 'gun related' crimes do not even involve guns that listed in the AWB. But lets pass it again if it will make everyone feel better:rolleyes:

    Again, I haven't broached the discussion about the effectiveness of the bill, just that it had a noble and good goal of trying to address gun violence and crime... which, regardless of your political affiliation, you should agree with the goal, no? The approach to attain the goal is under debate depending on your political stance and information YOU think is correct, but the goal is noble.

    As with the individual mandate in Obamacare, which was a GOP idea back in the 90s, which is all of a sudden a horrible idea because it was a Dem compromise... it's the exact opposite for NRA (which has a predominantly GOP base, lets be honest) which proposes additional community/school policing. It's a good idea because the NRA proposed it, but was a dumb idea 18yrs ago because a Dem wanted it.

    So, my only real point is that the NRA is full of political lies just like many other organizations that are agenda-related in nature, so for people to start jock-riding the NRA for this latest press release is silly. By all means, if you like the NRA and everything it stands and has always stood for, great -- whatever floats your Kimbers, but this press release shouldn't be seen as anything uber-enlightening to people.

  4. NRA's media event today: your thoughts?

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    So, why mention the "Secure our schools" initiative NOW, when they opposed it "some 18 years ago"? The NRA didn't say -- we don't like the AWB, but do like the COPS program... they were all or nothing.

    Just like I'd expect the Dems to be with Tonik's hypothetical. Though, I don't see how abortion relates to the fiscal cliff. More community policing relates to reduced gun violence and crime which was the main goal of the AWB, right? So, that makes more sense.

  5. NRA's media event today: your thoughts?

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    Those discrepancies become pretty important when the NRA is basing the foundation of their reasoning for action on them.

    I think the most telling was

    "But do know this President
    zeroed out
    school emergency planning grants in
    last year's
    budget, and scrapped "Secure Our Schools"
    policing
    grants in
    next year's
    budget."

    This is also true, but also quite bold of LaPierre to bring up, since he began his speech by attacking "gun-free school zones" and ignored the record of the NRA efforts on community policing. In the 1994 crime bill that included the original assault weapons ban, Bill Clinton included a new program called "Community Oriented Policing Services" that meant to add 100,000 new police officers to our streets (which LaPierre is essentially now proposing by putting cops in every school.) The NRA opposed that bill in 1994 and later mocked the COPS program for failing to meet its promise. Now he's complaining about the loss of "Secure Our Schools" grants. They were administered by COPS.

  8. I want everyone to hate me, apparently.

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    So, how do you account for irresponsible store owners?

    http://www.wfsb.com/story/20396452/east-windsor-gun-store-under-fire-after-man-caught-stealing-rifle?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8090780

    Marsh, who Hodge said suffers from schizophrenia as well as other mental issues, was off his medication when he was arrested Saturday.

    "It's unbelievable," Hodge said after seeing the story on WFSB.

    Police said Riverview Gun Sales had no idea the AR-15 Marsh stole was missing. Management at the store didn't know about 11 guns that Marsh had allegedly stolen last year until they were notified by detectives.

    Inventory control issues at Riverview Gun Sales have occurred before. In 2007, state police raided a Somers home and found a bunch of stolen guns from the store.

    "It was found that the same Riverview gun store was missing upwards of 30-plus guns," said East Windsor police Detective Matthew Carl.

  13. 2011 death statistics by the numbers

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    I think the name calling is necessary.. lest there some pent up rage that doesn't get vented and swingset goes postal.

    You alone Magz are keeping swingset from becoming one of those unhinged "gun nuts" by allowed him to throw insults your way. If you expect civilized discourse, it might end in tragedy because his emotions cannot be checked. And I'm willing to let you bear that cross (you're welcome?) if it means keeping swingsets mental health in the 'sane' range.

  15. 2011 death statistics by the numbers

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    Fine print... Firearms homicide, suicide and accidents. How many are justified homicides?

    What are the total number of suicides by method? assuming they are pretty close to firearms just more curious.

    I'm sure that breakdown is available... and I think it's already been discussed that suicides account for the majority of gun deaths (or at least > than the number of homicides - which would include defensive justified homicide)

    But thats why the chart says Gun Deaths... it's factually correct per the words used. It's on the people to interpret or ask additional questions to ferret out additional relevant information.

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