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  9. Obama supporter

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    Yes, the remaining ones that were running effectively would have had a bigger market share and added capacity to meet the needs.

    Oh yea? How rapidly to do think the other automakers could've increased capacity to make up for nearly 30% of the market share that GM and Chrysler left behind (Approx. 3.2 Million vehicles)? And that's using 2012 numbers which means they had even more market share before the collapse.

    http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesE

    Which, put in perspective, means that Toyota would have to double capacity to fill that gap if Toyota were to do it alone. Obviously, Toyota wouldn't be the only one filling that gap, but even increasing the capacity 20% is damn near impossible in any short period of time given the lean manufacturing setups most of the OEs are running, along with getting suppliers onboard for long lead time parts. (Any IEs on here want to chime in?) So I raise the BS flag that it would've been "no big deal" for the rest to fill the gap.

    Are you speaking to employees of public company suppliers that were at one time owned by the big three or are you talking to owners of privately held suppliers? My firsthand feedback is much different than yours; I am talking to owners of privately held companies that are also suppliers or management from these companies.

    I have a pretty decent network of classmates and colleagues that are in the industry given the college I went to so: TRW, Bosch, Honda, GM, Freightliner, Ford, Lear, and many other Tier 1 and Tier 2 suppliers to the commercial and pass. car markets.

    This wasn't manipulation like the currency manipulation it was less government burden to allow survival in the market that changed too rapidly for them to adjust. What our government did here had little effect on the global market for the businesses involved. They are structured and were doing okay globally by the new economy standards anyway.

    Why do you feel had little effect on the global market? Chysler and GM are both global companies that happen to be HQ'd in America. Which, may and may not give them distinct advantages or disadvantages to respond to the market at a given pace.

    E.g. Is it still a level playing field when BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, and Honda all don't have to worry about healthcare for their employees like the American companies do? That was the big beef for GM earlier was it not? They have to take $1500 right off the top of every car sale to pay for their American workers to have healthcare when the other carmakers don't. That's just one difference that turns out to be a disadvantage, but the point being that the market is already manipulated on a global scale based on other gov't rules and regs outside the US.

  10. Obama supporter

    in Dumpster

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    I do know that a small minority of auto companies were in dept and the government tried to manipulate that but the industry would have survived stronger without them.

    So, a stronger industry would've been made from less competition? :confused:

    I have worked for suppliers or been a supplier for six auto companies, the industry as a whole would have survived fine without the two companies that were bailed out.

    Are you sure? That's not the firsthand information I'm getting from colleagues at the OEs or the information I've observed working in the industry.

    I am just as pissed about the Wall Street bailout as I am the auto bailout. I also know of the hardships it would have placed on the economy by not acting. Pay a little now or pay a lot later, the problem was just kicked down the road by bailing them out.

    Ok, so we agree there -- there's a line that had to be walked, but your contention is it did more harm than good, and mine is the opposite. I guess we'll never know since your ideology wasn't pursued and what was pursued seems to be working, albeit not as fast as others' would like.

    Making something tangible has nothing to do with the validity of a business nor should it for the government to manipulate the market. There were more auto companies operating fine without our governments help (I know Japan has helped their companies, our government is my concern.) than needed it so the ability to move things by vehicle wasn't going away if that’s what you needed to see to legitimize government intrusion.

    So, this is like the Chinese currency devaluation issue. You don't want our gov't manipulating the marketspace of a GLOBAL market that other gov'ts are already manipulating in the same manner?

  11. Why are we so rude online?

    in Daily Ride

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    If you can't take the heat, quit posting sh*t online from the kitchen.

    I'd think that the article doesn't really come as a shock to anyone here, but in my humble opinion, the first one to get use the "block" or "defriend" function over someone else's thoughts and opinions (no matter how wrong they are perceived to be) has the weaker mind.

    Similar to here and in Facebook -- feel free to share whatever floats your boat, but given the fact that you're SHARING it means you need to accept whatever positive or negative consequences of sharing it may come your way. For example: http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=98525

    If you have something negative to say, please keep it to yourself as you have no idea the hard work that goes into something like this. I can respect your opinions of how you think a female should look but this is not the place to voice it if these types of events are not your thing.

    I really didn't have anything negative to say about it/her/the effort, except that particular 'stipulation' didn't sit well with me. If you want a selective audience that will be nothing but 100% supportive of your thoughts, views, accomplishments -- then don't share it publicly. Otherwise, you need to accept the risk of getting the good with the bad. And need to "be the bigger man" to deal with the people, or trolls, or naysayers that don't share your opinions.

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  12. Obama supporter

    in Dumpster

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    Do you really think the entire american auto industry would have collapsed, or maybe just the mismanaged ones and maybe the free market would have done what it is known to do and allowed the ones that were more practical business models to succeed (ford!).

    Yes, it would've collapsed for various reasons, but the main driver for it to collapse is because of the supplier-model. I can get into the real nitty gritty if you want to go that far, but I'll stop high-level for now.

    Funny you mention Ford and their practical business model... since GM's been outperforming it. And Ford also was extended a line of credit from the Gov't.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2012/09/30/gms-3q-stock-rise/1601293/

    I don't think you can credit obama with saving the entire auto industry.

    Probably not, but he was a key player in it. I still don't understand why people are so pissed about the auto bailout, when it's 10% of what Wall Street was, and Wall Street doesn't MAKE anything tangible. I've never seen a hedge fund move you and your family safely across the country in comfort in a tiny metal box containing controlled explosions.

    I've never seen an IPO that can pull a trailer full of motorcycles to a trackday.

    I've never seen an annuity build a tank to defend our country.

  13. Ohio Democrats introduce bill to effectively kill concealed carry in Ohio

    in Dumpster

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    Ted Celeste is Dick Celeste's more retarded brother. He has introduced this 'opt in' gun sign idea as an amendment to every gun law passed since I can remember...he tried to add it to the guns in bars bill and all of those.

    It gets creamed everytime it gets voted on. Patton is the rep from the bad part of Cleveland. He is a failure, he has done nothing for his district and wants to blame everything on the guns.

    This is going nowhere, nothing to even worry about.

    Who is Patton? The guy's name is Patmon.

    And per this map: http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2011/12/ohio_house_and_ohio_senate_dis.html

    District 10 isn't the "bad part" of Cleveland :confused: ... it IS Cleveland (Rock Hall, Burke Lakefront, Westside market, Browns Stadium). So, unless you were crackin' wise on Cleveland itself being ALL bad, he's not from the bad part of Cleveland.

    And as far as being a "failure" -- it's his first term, so what exactly are you judging him being a failure on, aside from him introducing HB595 as mentioned in this thread? :confused: Please educate me, unless you're just hopping on the bandwagon to pile on without doing your homework?

  16. Road Rage Shooting

    in Daily Ride

    Posted

    Can't let anger cloud your judgement. CHL has significantly mellowed me. I laugh off situations that I would have fought off 20 years ago. Gotta keep your cool when you're armed.
    +1. I'm a lot less of a hot head now that I carry.

    Really? Even before I had a CHL -- my loud pot-stirring mouth, I've never felt the need for things to come to fisticuffs. I've always laughed it off and walked away :dunno: My ego has a pretty tough outer shell, it's pretty hard to crack it no matter what words you say. :D

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