Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 ...just a couple of weeks ago that the NSA spying was under control. That there was oversight and they were following the rules? "What you’re hearing about is the prospect that these could be abused. Now part of the reason they’re not abused is because they’re — these checks are in place, and those abuses would be against the law and would be against the orders of the FISC." Well, he lied and his administration has fought the FOIA requests that would have proven those lies. Thankfully Snowden stole those documents and just released the truth. "The most serious violation was a diversion of massive amounts of data through fiber-optic cables in the US that included a large amount of communications by Americans.The diversion was judged by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) as unconstitutional but the court opinion has been hidden and the Obama administration has fought the Freedom of Information request to see it." http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130816/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-time-trained-c But don't forget, this would not have happened without the overwhelming support of a Democratic held Senate and a Republican held House. They all can blow me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) What is FISC? / Who runs FISC? Edited August 16, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapesmuggler27 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everoblivion2005 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Haha... yea Chicago politicians. Cause Chicago and Detroit are doing so well they are now trying to share the success with the rest of the country! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleaveTheGreat Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 But don't forget, this would not have happened without the overwhelming support of a Democratic held Senate and a Republican held House. They all can blow me. +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thGix Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 What is FISC? / Who runs FISC?FISC is ran buy the 11 judges that make up the court. The Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court (John Roberts) soley appoints them without confirmation or oversight by Congress. All of the current members have been selected by him. So i guess you could say the judges themselves run FISC which were selected by Cheif Justice John Roberts who was appointed by George W. Bush. So there it is back to being Bush's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everoblivion2005 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 FISC is ran buy the 11 judges that make up the court. The Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court (John Roberts) soley appoints them without confirmation or oversight by Congress. All of the current members have been selected by him. So i guess you could say the judges themselves run FISC which were selected by Cheif Justice John Roberts who was appointed by George W. Bush. So there it is back to being Bush's fault. Well by that logic the FISC found it unconstitutional but was hushed by the white house and capitol hill cronies... so... now its back to Barry's Fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 FISC just renewed the authority of the government to collect this data less than a month ago... I didn't see anywhere that they ruled it unconstitutional... FISA Court Renews Unlawful Surveillance Program, DOJ Defends Program: According to the Director of National Intelligence, on July 19, 2013 the Government "filed an application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court seeking renewal of the authority to collect telephony metadata in bulk, and that the Court renewed that authority." In a separate filing, in a July 18 response to a challenge brought by the ACLU, the Department of Justice said that a federal district court in New York could not overturn the order of the FISA court. And in a July 16 letter to Congressman Sensenbrenner the Department asserts that "because the telephony metadata must be available in bulk to allow the NSA to identify records of terrorist communications, there are 'reasonable grounds to believe' that the data is relevant to an authorized investigation. EPIC has recently filed a petition with the US Supreme Court, challenging the lawfulness of the NSA domestic surveillance program. For more information, see EPIC - In re Electronic Privacy Information Center. (Jul. 22, 2013) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thGix Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Well by that logic the FISC found it unconstitutional but was hushed by the white house and capitol hill cronies... so... now its back to Barry's Fault Give me a minute i will come back with something hold on......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 WTF, August 6th Barry lying his ass off on Leno. "We don't have a domestic spying program" That's a flat out lie, we all know that. It has been talked about for weeks. How the heck could he say something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 FISC just renewed the authority of the government to collect this data less than a month ago... I didn't see anywhere that they ruled it unconstitutional... FISA Court Renews Unlawful Surveillance Program, DOJ Defends Program: According to the Director of National Intelligence, on July 19, 2013 the Government "filed an application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court seeking renewal of the authority to collect telephony metadata in bulk, and that the Court renewed that authority." In a separate filing, in a July 18 response to a challenge brought by the ACLU, the Department of Justice said that a federal district court in New York could not overturn the order of the FISA court. And in a July 16 letter to Congressman Sensenbrenner the Department asserts that "because the telephony metadata must be available in bulk to allow the NSA to identify records of terrorist communications, there are 'reasonable grounds to believe' that the data is relevant to an authorized investigation. EPIC has recently filed a petition with the US Supreme Court, challenging the lawfulness of the NSA domestic surveillance program. For more information, see EPIC - In re Electronic Privacy Information Center. (Jul. 22, 2013) follow the links:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html the NSA (and almost certainly, other federal intelligence and law enforcement entities) routinely and clearly breaches the 4th amendment. the "court" that hands out the warrants to this raping of our constitution like candy knows this and allows it wholesale. is ANYONE in this forum ok with this? why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I've been against it since the jr. bush administration, along with the rest of the patriot act... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everoblivion2005 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 FISC just renewed the authority of the government to collect this data less than a month ago... I didn't see anywhere that they ruled it unconstitutional... FISA Court Renews Unlawful Surveillance Program, DOJ Defends Program: According to the Director of National Intelligence, on July 19, 2013 the Government "filed an application with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court seeking renewal of the authority to collect telephony metadata in bulk, and that the Court renewed that authority." In a separate filing, in a July 18 response to a challenge brought by the ACLU, the Department of Justice said that a federal district court in New York could not overturn the order of the FISA court. And in a July 16 letter to Congressman Sensenbrenner the Department asserts that "because the telephony metadata must be available in bulk to allow the NSA to identify records of terrorist communications, there are 'reasonable grounds to believe' that the data is relevant to an authorized investigation. EPIC has recently filed a petition with the US Supreme Court, challenging the lawfulness of the NSA domestic surveillance program. For more information, see EPIC - In re Electronic Privacy Information Center. (Jul. 22, 2013)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/fisc-ruling-surveillance_n_3430402.htmlhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/government-says-secret-court-opinion-law-underlying-prism-program-needs-stayhttp://www.ibtimes.com/fisc-will-not-object-release-2011-court-opinion-confirmed-nsas-illegal-surveillance-1305023 All reports indicate that the court wants to release the information officially rather than in the report Snowden released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I've been against it since the jr. bush administration, along with the rest of the patriot act... Did you vote for Obama a second time after he strengthened the Patriot Act twice, including adding the new part for domestic spying that Bush Jr. had nothing to do with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thGix Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Well by that logic the FISC found it unconstitutional but was hushed by the white house and capitol hill cronies... so... now its back to Barry's Fault If unconstitutional why would they renew the authority to collect telephone data. http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/898-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-court-renews-authority-to-collect-telephony-metadata Bush's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 the NSA (and almost certainly, other federal intelligence and law enforcement entities) routinely and clearly breaches the 4th amendment. the "court" that hands out the warrants to this raping of our constitution like candy knows this and allows it wholesale. It's worse than most think. The NSA is handing over phone records it is gathering to LEO's. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/05/the-nsa-is-giving-your-phone-records-to-the-dea-and-the-dea-is-covering-it-up/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20thGix Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 It's worse than most think. The NSA is handing over phone records it is gathering to LEO's. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/05/the-nsa-is-giving-your-phone-records-to-the-dea-and-the-dea-is-covering-it-up/Just playing Devil's advocate here so bear with me: Supreme Court ruling 1979 Smith v. Maryland. Also look into third-party doctrine. Both of which the FISC are using as their trump card to get your (actually Verizon's) phone records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Did you vote for Obama a second time after he strengthened the Patriot Act twice, including adding the new part for domestic spying that Bush Jr. had nothing to do with? I didn't vote for him either time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Just playing Devil's advocate here so bear with me: Supreme Court ruling 1979 Smith v. Maryland. Also look into third-party doctrine. Both of which the FISC are using as their trump card to get your (actually Verizon's) phone records. There are plenty of valid legal arguments against using third-party doctrine as a justification against what the NSA is doing. The problem is when these arguments are made in the FISC court there is NO NONE making the case against. Imagine a court system where only the prosecutor is allowed to present evidence, no defense. So of course the NSA is going to get the ruling they want, most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 I didn't vote for him either time... Well that is encouraging news. Now if we could just get the rest of these asshats to stop voting for either party of asshats we could get somewhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Last go round I voted for Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Last go round I voted for RonMe too. I vote for any decent third party person in the hope they get matching funds some day. Otherwise I write in Paris Hilton because hot and stupid is better than just stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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