bloodninja420 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Ive been riding for a couple of months at this point and feel pretty good about most of the fundamentals. But there is one skill that just isnt gelling: Breaking while simultaneously downshifting and blipping the throttle. Most of the time Im just not smooth and the suspension ends up bouncing rather than achieving a smooth deceleration. A video of some pros going through this sequence in slow motion would be a big help, to get a feel for a good rhythm. any youtube links? In lieu of that, any tips to get this dialed in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I don't throttle match when downshifting, If I'm simultaneously braking and engine braking I'll just slip the clutch to release rather than dumping it for smoothness or if not engine braking just hold the clutch and snap down the gears as I decelerate. (as I hit 50, I hold the clutch and drop to 3rd, hit 30, drop to 2nd just so I'm in the optimum gear when I'm ready to let out the clutch to speed up again) this may or may not work for your riding style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I do not "blip" throttle when downshifting. If this is what you are going for or are in a race type scenario I would recommend looking into a slipper clutch set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 http://www.motorcycle.com/how-to/motorcycle-downshifting-techniques 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repsol250 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 when i took the ohio motorcycle course they totally stressed on friction zone. If you drive manual car the clutch use is totally different. you downshift you need to control the clutch so you feel the bike going into gear as u use the thottle to match the rpm's. if your breaking and downshifting you need to share the breaking power of the break pads with the friction zone on the clutch. best way to practice is to downshift every gear all the time even when you know your stopping no matter what. like a stop sign. remember thw friction zone is the key to smooth slowing and turning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikAccord Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) Braking and 'blipping' is tricky stuff, at first. Sort of like chewing gum and jerking off at the same time. If you're not careful, the wrong thing gets bit. Edited October 9, 2013 by QuikAccord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 The book referenced in this video has helpedme improve my riding skills. It is well worth theprice. Now, if I could only attend the class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolsdime92 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Braking and 'blipping' is tricky stuff, at first. Sort of like chewing gum and jerking off at the same time. If you're not careful, the wrong thing gets bit. this guy hit the nail on the head... It just takes practice. My bike will not downshift smooth unless I do RPM match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I learned to rev match over 10 years ago, and albeit a natural habit now....I'm still not perfect at it. Mainly got used to gripping the throttle with just my ring finger and pinky so my index and middle fingers were free to use the brake. Try it without braking to get used to the throttle work in rev matching, but focus on gripping with just your ring and pinky only when you practice....then start trying to brake LIGHTLY while doing it. You dont want to jump into trying it and stab the brakes, your nuts will never forgive you after that tank smooshin'Just break down the steps before collectively throwing it all together. Thats how I learned. Hit some back roads where there's no traffic.Can't say enough about taking in some trackdays to really help your body correlate the motions too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxHooligan Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 It also.depends on hand size I have tiny hands so I use my longest fingers for the brake I.e. my index and middle while using my pinky and ring for the throttle. But most of the time I just let the motor do the work like I do in my car but that depends on the needed amount of deceleration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaf Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 You are using only 2 fingers on the clutch & on the brake aren't you? Remember to slide your fingers over the brake lever while blipping the throttle. Practice, practice, practice. Why would you need to be braking & downshifting at the same on the street? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodninja420 Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Remember to slide your fingers over the brake lever while blipping the throttle.After reading Tpoppa's article yesterday I started doing this and the sliding made all the difference. Seems obvious in hindsight.Why do it on the street? I dunno, I always heel-toed in my car when I owned a manual so it just feels night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxHooligan Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 After reading Tpoppa's article yesterday I started doing this and the sliding made all the difference. Seems obvious in hindsight.Why do it on the street? I dunno, I always heel-toed in my car when I owned a manual so it just feels night.If you've always heel toed in your car you have obviously never driven a mechanical clutched vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodninja420 Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 ^Im not familiar with other type of clutch systems, but if youre hung up on my "always" statement let me rephrase to "occasionally, when my wife isnt in the car, and I want to pretend Im Ayton Senna." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxHooligan Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 No not hung up on it mechanical clutches use a rod to actuate the clutch its harder to press than a hydro clutch. Its just a whole different feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) No not hung up on it mechanical clutches use a rod to actuate the clutch its harder to press than a hydro clutch. Its just a whole different feel.My car clutch uses a cable... and I got a stage 2 clutch kit on it... My bike uses a hydraulic Edited October 10, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxHooligan Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've never seen a car with a clutch cable what do you drive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) I've never seen a car with a clutch cable what do you drive?drive train is a 68 VW Beetle, but it's a glass buggy. I'm planning on converting it to hydraulic, it's a $180 kit, and I'm tired of breaking clutch cables. The stage 2 is much stiffer than stock, and the cable just can't handle it for more than a few months. 3 times I've had to drive it home without the clutch. On the bright side I've gotten pretty good at it. Edited October 10, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxHooligan Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 That makes sense rear engine older vw motor and tranny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolsdime92 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I've never seen a car with a clutch cable what do you drive?Some older honda cars are cable clutchs as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 I've never seen a car with a clutch cable what do you drive?1st gen neons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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