Tpoppa Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 There are 2 US Air Force bases in Turkey. 1 of them is occupied by US and Turkish forces. There are US/Turkish joint ops occurring in that region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 So Russia is going to hold the US responsible for this. awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 This is confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Shit is gonna hit the fan......soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaler Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Shit is gonna hit the fan......soon. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 WWIII is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Was the russian jet armed? "Flaps up don't shoot!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 This is starting to sound like last years Ebola thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 how do I say this... military aircraft get shot down a lot more than people know, and nothing is said by either side if it's a military thing. World war three does not start. Combat does not start. But if it's a political thing, it's big news. One reason is that if it was a reconnaissance flight, then it was looking for secrets. The result is that nothing gets said by either side, since the subject/target involved is.... secret. The only reason I found out, is that I worked with a bunch of cold war era pilots that had some incredible stories about it. I guess the cold war wasn't so cold. At least as far as the general public knew. I don't think we're back to that yet, and probably never will be. We use satellites and drones now. And we have the agreed Open Sky Policy, that allows other countries to overfly even for reconnaissance purposes, as long as they file a flight plan, and meet the requirements of the treaty. USA and Russia allow 42 flights per year. We don't ever hear much about it, since the flights and target subjects are generally.... secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 we should send Ebola to Syria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) The shooting down of the Russian jet has less to do with 17 seconds or airspace and more to do with this: "Russia is in Syria not to fight ISIS but to save the Assad regime as a permanent Russian ally. Turkey has two goals: It wants to clip the wings of the independence-minded Kurds, but it also wants to see Assad fall.And while Turkey's goals differ from those of its NATO allies -- particularly because Ankara has largely turned a blind eye to ISIS, an enemy of the Kurds -- the NATO bloc mostly agrees on its antipathy towards Assad."http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/opinions/ghitis-russia-jet-shot-down/index.html Edited November 25, 2015 by Tpoppa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 It took nine pages for someone to post something intelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) The media (twitter and comments) keep saying Turkish air controllers warned the aircraft between 12 to 109 times in the amazing 17 seconds it was in Turkish airspace. Typical media spin. That's not how it works. When an unknown aircraft approaches your border, you start asking identification and intentions. About 12 miles out it gets serious. Turkish air control no doubt continuously transmitted to those two aircraft, particularly since they could not or would not answer. Violations of common international airspace protocols, refusing to communicate, over flight of territory, attacking Turkman territory (a definite Turkish ally). On a touchy border. To make it worse, Syria has similar aircraft. I'm not surprised at the result. In some ways, it couldn't have been more deliberate. edit: btw, Turkey (Ottoman Empire) and Russia have fought 12 wars between 1568 and 1923. Yes, there is a history there. Edited November 25, 2015 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) oops.... a surviving Russian pilot says there were no warnings, no communication. One side or the other is lying, probably both. edit: "US military officials said there were indications the downed plane entered Turkish airspace for a matter of seconds, and that it had been warned to stay out."http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/25/world/middleeast/ap-syria-the-latest.html Turkey says one of the two aircraft responded and departed, the other did not.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581 Syrian forces are advancing North in that area, toward the Turkish border, going after Free Syrian army and others, not ISIS, and air strikes are supporting them. The Russian airstrikes have now been cranked up. At this point the worse thing that could happen is a Turkish armor strike (with mobile ground-to-air anti-aircraft support) across the border against Syrian troops. There have been 9 clashes between Turkey and Syria since 2012. Edited November 25, 2015 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 oops.... a surviving Russian pilot says there were no warnings, no communication. One side or the other is lying, probably both. edit: "US military officials said there were indications the downed plane entered Turkish airspace for a matter of seconds, and that it had been warned to stay out."http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/25/world/middleeast/ap-syria-the-latest.htmlTurkey says one of the two aircraft responded and departed, the other did not.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34912581Syrian forces are advancing North in that area, toward the Turkish border, going after Free Syrian army and others, not ISIS, and air strikes are supporting them. The Russian airstrikes have now been cranked up.At this point the worse thing that could happen is a Turkish armor strike (with mobile ground-to-air anti-aircraft support) across the border against Syrian troops. There have been 9 clashes between Turkey and Syria since 2012.The surviving pilot is reported to also be stating he did not violate Turkeys are space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 The surviving pilot is reported to also be stating he did not violate Turkeys air space.yeah, this is a political game between NATO and Russia. Increased after the thing in the Ukraine and Crimea. Constant Russian ground and sea maneuvers and air flights testing and violating NATO borders everywhere. Too early yet to know what will happen or happen next. Most likely just more of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAC Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 It took nine pages for someone to post something intelligent.Yeah. Too soon. Ruins all the fun doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 http://www.mediaite.com/online/man-media-touted-as-victim-of-islamaphobia-reportedly-arrested-in-turkey-for-joining-isis/Libyan American USAF veteran formerly complaining for being on no-fly liust (and removed) arrested for joining Isis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Y'all are worrying over nothing, global climate change is a much more world wide issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaler Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Y'all are worrying over nothing, global climate change is a much more world wide issue.I see what you did!I have matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I feel like certain groups are aiming for some sleeping giant(govt) countries.https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/4/5-middle-eastern-men-with-stainless-steel-cylinders-in-their-backpacks-arrested-near-mexican-border Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 PJ's Media? the comments were fun, though. Makes this place seem fairly rational. Big media is more trusted? it was reblogged there from judicialwatch.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) ...At this point the worse thing that could happen is a Turkish armor strike (with mobile ground-to-air anti-aircraft support) across the border against Syrian troops. There have been 9 clashes between Turkey and Syria since 2012. oops again, I had the right idea, but it happened in a different country. Turkey has sent troops and armor (20-25) into Iraq, to support Sunnis in Bashiqa near Mosul. "Training" only. Iraq (a predominantly Shitte government) asks them to leave, since they never asked permission. The question is, who is getting the "training". The Iraqi troops? The Turkish troops?. Probably everyone. edit: The Bashiqa training camp is Iraqi Peshmerga forces -- Kurdish fighters in the region. Turkey has had training advisors there for 2-1/2 years. Edited December 6, 2015 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) oops again, somebody hit a Syria Army unit from the air. Ammo dump, vehicles, armor, and personnel. Syria claims US aircraft did it. US says no US airstrike within 55k (34 miles) from there. Unknown yet who did it. edit: The Syrian forces said the aircraft attacked with rockets. US aircraft typically don't use rockets, the Russian SU-25 does. That's the Russian equivalent of an A-10. And yes, they are used in Syria. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-denies-syrian-accusations-that-its-warplanes-hit-a-syrian-base/2015/12/07/db72a0fb-cc62-49c8-a5ed-997c2e6e1f98_story.html edit again: Pentagon says it was Russian aircraft.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-denies-syrian-accusations-that-its-warplanes-hit-a-syrian-base/2015/12/07/db72a0fb-cc62-49c8-a5ed-997c2e6e1f98_story.html Edited December 7, 2015 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ralph Peters Calls Obama a ‘Total Pussy’ on Live Television http://freebeacon.com/national-security/ralph-peters-calls-obama-a-total-pussy-on-live-television/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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