RHill Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I have a couple that are going in the trash....this one wasn't on my bike(and not my video), but it still nearly caused me to lose the front end through T7. I've been hearing about these things failing more and more. Don't risk it, don't ride with a K&N filter, on the track or on the street. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 so he did dump shit all down the back straight into t7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Oh oil filters. Only used their Air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 7 hours ago, what said: so he did dump shit all down the back straight into t7? don't think "all down the back straight" applies here, but there was definetly something that caused this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Soul Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Oil filters. Wix http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/Applications.aspx?Section=6 Any engine I've got for anything if it has an oil filter, gets a Wix. Don't know if they make one for every application, but if they do it's a damned good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Well I used to use only OEM filters on my bike but then Kawi went cheap and started having them made in China and the quality went to shit. Been using K&N ever since no problems in 20k miles. Should I look into other options? I refuse to use the fram tin cans. Edited October 8, 2016 by 2talltim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 was it double oringed? I have used k&n for the last 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 29 minutes ago, 2talltim said: Well I used to use only OEM filters on my bike but then Kawi went cheap and started having them made in China and the quality went to shit. Been using K&N ever since no problems in 20k miles. Should I look into other options? I refuse to use the fram tin cans. I've mostly used OEM, zuki's but picked up a few K&N's awhile back....may have even been before the issues arose. In any case, after everything I've heard + this, I'm not using them. IDK what exactly caused the guys issue...for all I know it could have been not safety wired and backed off because it was only finger tight or some other stupid human error, but it just isn't worth the risk if there is a miniscule chance it is a faulty oring design on the filter 15 minutes ago, blue03636 said: was it double oringed? I have used k&n for the last 10 years. Think if it was doubled up it wouldn't have made it 75% of the way through the twilight, can't say for sure because I didn't look at it after. There is this too: I'm pretty sure CCS and Wera have banned them. if that's true, I'd guess there would be talk of it on their boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 True. It Shouldn't make it long doubled up. As for ccs, there is nothing in the rule book that I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 interesting... I've used them for 10ish year myself with no faults or issues.. all my track bikes have gotten them (albeit always safety wired) but zero failures. I have heard of a few people accidently doubling the oring... but it wasn't a manufacture issue it was them pulling the old filter off the o ring staying in plac on the case then just tossing on the new filter with out wiping down the case, seating position... this is a installation issue not a KN issue to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 my buddy who doubled it.. lasted 2 track days.. as he saw it still weep and went all angry hulk on it and over tightened it with a damn wrench... till it stopped weeping ... then it blew out on the second day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I doubt it is doubling up, because only an asshole/idiot would blame the filter if it was doubled up. I've literally heard about K&N oil filter issues just about every trackday for the past 6 months, didn't really put any thought into it, then this happened. IDK, I'm fine w switching brands, no real loss. Post up on youtube and question the dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaler Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Didn't MotoA ban them from use this season? Have never seen an OEM filter that was shit. The few bucks difference in cost just doesn't add up compared to this type of failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, whaler said: Have never seen an OEM filter that was shit. The few bucks difference in cost just doesn't add up compared to this type of failure. The ones for my bike had a part number change from Kawi. When I got the first one with the new part number it felt lighter and looking at the filter media on the inside it looked thiner and less corrugations. That's when I noticed on the side "made in china", the old part number one I took off the bike that day said "made in Japan". But they still charged the same price. I another note the K&N I buy say "made in mexico" but they do seem a better quality Edited October 8, 2016 by 2talltim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester_ Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Some racing orgs only allow oem filters at this point. I have had 2 fail on me, one of which caused this. Also holy cow I was slow.... Edited October 8, 2016 by Jester_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostryder1krr Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Some racing orgs only allow oem filters at this point. I have had 2 fail on me, one of which caused this. Also holy cow I was slow....That's Jennings gp in Florida that used to be my home track!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackbikez Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) I just bought (2) of these to put on the SV. One of the guys I spoke with last time at MidOh wasn't running his S1000RR because the nut on the end of filter was pulling on the cap and causing some weeping, totally different failure mode than the one being discussed. I used Purolators before and was happy with them until they quit making them. This is my first time trying Hifiltro's and filters w/ the nut on the end. Should I be worried? I figure most of these filters are coming off nearly identical manufacturing lines. Edited October 8, 2016 by Trackbikez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I wouldn't use the nut except for removal. Not many places will let you safety wire to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 still use a clamp system to safety wire the filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 hose clamp FTW, really easy to reuse and get great pre-tension every time agree about not using the nut to tighten or wire the filter. Always found it easier to throw a strap wrench over the filter to loosen/snug the new filter. would really like to see how these have failed....quick google search brought up failures around the nut and sliced o-ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mello dude Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) On the VFR forums/threads, its an over discussed topic on how the spot welds on the K&N nut on the end of the filter fatigue and create a leak.... No chance I'm using one of those... And a btw - here's a good chart on oil filter alternatives http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html Cheers and beers.... Edited October 10, 2016 by mello dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 Weird. I've used K&N oil filters exclusively for over ten years. Now you all have me worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Cartridge filter bike FTW. yet someone also had the K&N PRV fail and block oil passage and damage engine. KN did reimburse him but he came out to warn others still a bit of a hassle. Edited October 9, 2016 by motocat12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaler Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Digging this one up... @DerekClouser K&N filter failed at a track day today. Split and coated the track. They are junk, you have been warned. Edited August 21, 2017 by whaler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, whaler said: Digging this one up... @DerekClouser K&N filter failed at a track day today. Split and coated the track. They are junk, you have been warned. What capacity was the failure? Gasket? Nut weld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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