Casper Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Thinking about doing my first track day. Anyone else going that weekend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'll check my calendar. Probably out of town though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted June 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Yep, as I thought I'll be in Jersey for work. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 We wont be able to make it, but Putnam is an awesome choice for 1st timers. Easy layout so the race lines are simple to pickup, which makes it easier to focus on your BP and riding smooth. Who's hosting it? STT? Motoseries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted June 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 6 hours ago, Hellmutt said: We wont be able to make it, but Putnam is an awesome choice for 1st timers. Easy layout so the race lines are simple to pickup, which makes it easier to focus on your BP and riding smooth. Who's hosting it? STT? Motoseries? STT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Casper said: STT That's who we went with our first trackday too. Good org, and MidO's crew ran a very similar program. Now, this was 4 years ago so I'm not sure if they've changed their format or not, but used to be that the afternoon sessions were pretty much open for Novice groups after a couple controlled parade laps ( builds tire heat ) then they'd waive us by to ride on our own. Couldn't pass in the corners, but the straights were fair game as long as you stayed 6ft or more away from the bikes you pass, and don't stuff them setting up for the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Hellmutt said: That's who we went with our first trackday too. Good org, and MidO's crew ran a very similar program. Now, this was 4 years ago so I'm not sure if they've changed their format or not, but used to be that the afternoon sessions were pretty much open for Novice groups after a couple controlled parade laps ( builds tire heat ) then they'd waive us by to ride on our own. Couldn't pass in the corners, but the straights were fair game as long as you stayed 6ft or more away from the bikes you pass, and don't stuff them setting up for the corners. Pretty sure Mid-O has revamped the school since 4 years ago. Novice groups dont run un-controlled anymore from my experience last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Pretty sure Mid-O has revamped the school since 4 years ago. Novice groups dont run un-controlled anymore from my experience last year. I get why they would change those rules, for safety sake, but holding groups all day long seems like it would suck for the faster novice riders that have a good grasp on their limits. I liked it because it let us apply what we'd learned without the craziness of Intermediate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Hellmutt said: I get why they would change those rules, for safety sake, but holding groups all day long seems like it would suck for the faster novice riders that have a good grasp on their limits. I liked it because it let us apply what we'd learned without the craziness of Intermediate I can't really say what happens after 2nd session in novice. But I didn't think they just let novices run around at their own pace. I thought each group of novices were led by an instructor who you couldn't pass. Hoping some Mid-O CR's chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 sadly. Putnam is on of my fav STT events as we only do 2 a year but I will not be coaching that weekend i'll be racing at pitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted June 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, TwiztedRabbit said: sadly. Putnam is on of my fav STT events as we only do 2 a year but I will not be coaching that weekend i'll be racing at pitt Bummer. I'd love to have you as a coach sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, TimTheAzn said: I can't really say what happens after 2nd session in novice. But I didn't think they just let novices run around at their own pace. I thought each group of novices were led by an instructor who you couldn't pass. Hoping some Mid-O CR's chime in. Few years ago STT and MidO both had open afternoon novice sessions ( unless you were slow, then a CR would tow ) while CRs would mingle through traffic keeping the peace. Haven't done a trackday with either org since 2015 though, so may have changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 45 minutes ago, Hellmutt said: Few years ago STT and MidO both had open afternoon novice sessions ( unless you were slow, then a CR would tow ) while CRs would mingle through traffic keeping the peace. Haven't done a trackday with either org since 2015 though, so may have changed Never ridden with STT, although I'd like to check out some of the tracks they go to. The entire time I was in N at Mid O last year I was stuck behind a CR. Until the session I was evaluated for a bump, then he let me go and watched, then he towed me around a bit (may have been the other way around.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: Never ridden with STT, although I'd like to check out some of the tracks they go to. The entire time I was in N at Mid O last year I was stuck behind a CR. Until the session I was evaluated for a bump, then he let me go and watched, then he towed me around a bit (may have been the other way around.) That's definitely different than it used to be. After lunch the sessions started with a CR leading a lap or 2 then waiving us by, and after lunch there were no more classroom sessions between track excursions either. Maybe they made the changes as a precautionary measure, or there were instances that demanded a program change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 There's no more "go ahead and do your own thing" in N at Mid-O. You are behind a CR the entire day. I plan to move up to I my next track day, which is looking like July at this point (god damn work). That said, if your pace is at the top of novice, the CR will make sure you stay ahead of the slow groups for the most part. I was running like a 2:01 or so last time, which was about the same pace as the fastest novice group. We lapped every other group except for them. That said, I felt like I had another 3-4 seconds I could easily shave off if I wasn't getting stuck behind people over-braking in the corners and was able to keep up my corner speed. Drive doesn't matter to people on 100+ HP bikes but on the 750 if I lose entry speed I'm screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 12 hours ago, TimTheAzn said: I can't really say what happens after 2nd session in novice. But I didn't think they just let novices run around at their own pace. I thought each group of novices were led by an instructor who you couldn't pass. Hoping some Mid-O CR's chime in. This is completely true. No more free for all last 2 sessions in N. We do pick up the pace a bit though for group 1 and 2 the faster N riders will be in those groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 8 hours ago, what said: Drive doesn't matter to people on 100+ HP bikes but on the 750 if I lose entry speed I'm screwed. If youre screwed from loss of entry speed on a 750 Id say youre on the wrong line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 7:11 PM, Casper said: Thinking about doing my first track day. Anyone else going that weekend? I love Putnam and want to get the Duke out for a track day. Thats right after our California MA round but If we are back on this coast and rested enough Ill join you. Ill know if I can pull it off after next weekends Utah round because thats when we'll plan the Cali trip. I'll let you know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, MidgetTodd said: If youre screwed from loss of entry speed on a 750 Id say youre on the wrong line. 750 twin with 70-ish horsepower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Wrong line. Or bad form. That's plenty of power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 looks like I can make this work...anyone have some cheap Daytona plastics I can buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 42 minutes ago, bowdog said: looks like I can make this work...anyone have some cheap Daytona plastics I can buy? Seriously!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Casper said: Seriously!? Yup! Let me know your plans and I will get my track cert bought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiztedRabbit Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 STT novice is very well structured until lunch.. after lunch we let everyone loose assuming the morning went well.. we have 7-10 coaches out in Novice still helping with groups or individuals as needed or wanted / we will go back to groups if things get out of hand... we also will constantly rotate people in groups based on pace and skill or learning to maximize the learning and fun for all in each group. after lunch during the open track riding we allow students to apply their newly learned skills on their own or with lightly or heavily guided assistance as needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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