jschaf Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 The question is: How can we keep this sort of thing from happening over & over again as it has been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, jschaf said: The question is: How can we keep this sort of thing from happening over & over again as it has been? Are you trying to suggest something? In my FB feed, I see some people are fearful and suggesting restricting rights via some kind of gun control measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: Are you trying to suggest something? In my FB feed, I see some people are fearful and suggesting restricting rights via some kind of gun control measure. WTF. The possibility of something happening? Have you seen the news? It is happening, over and over again. We tried your way, which is to do nothing. Your way is a complete failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Tonik said: WTF. The possibility of something happening? Have you seen the news? It is happening, over and over again. We tried your way, which is to do nothing. Your way is a complete failure. What is my way? I don't support restricting rights of hundreds of millions of people based on actions on the most despicable elements of society. Thats not how we base rights in America. I don't support restricting 1st amendment rights based on despicable elements like WBC or Jimmy Kimmel. I don't support restricting 2nd amendment rights based on actions of some shitbags that want to kill Innocents. Rights aren't and should not be based on the lowest element of society. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: What is my way? I don't support restricting rights of hundreds of millions of people based on actions on the most despicable elements of society. Thats not how we base rights in America. I don't support restricting 1st amendment rights based on despicable elements like WBC or Jimmy Kimmel. I don't support restricting 2nd amendment rights based on actions of some shitbags that want to kill Innocents. Rights aren't and should not be based on the lowest element of society. I clearly stated what your way is, to do nothing. And your post above confirms it. Every Constitutional right has limits. Cant yell fire in a crowded theater. Cant get a late term abortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, Tonik said: I clearly stated what your way is, to do nothing. And your post above confirms it. Every Constitutional right has limits. Cant yell fire in a crowded theater. Cant get a late term abortion. Are you suggesting something or just bitching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Diagnosed psychopath father, tends to run in families. Older guy, mid 60's... about the time people start getting diagnosed with diseases and/or checking off things on their bucket list. A lack of conscience/morals + an affinity for firearms spells trouble. He planned the hell out of that attack, down to researching exactly what room to get for the best vantage over the strip/concert venue and multiple windows/firing positions to better conceal himself while sniping. My guess is it's something he wanted to do for fun, got his jollies and took the shortcut out. That or the commies set him up to push anti-gun legislation through and take us over. God damn commies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: Are you suggesting something or just bitching? Stating simple facts, your Obama Meme is bullshit. And your understanding of Constitutional rights is flawed, badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, Tonik said: Stating simple facts, your Obama Meme is bullshit. And your understanding of Constitutional rights is flawed, badly. Incorrect, but thanks for trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaf Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Nevermind. Everything is as it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Jim & Jim, If there's something you feel should happen just say what it is. I'm open to hearing different points of view. If you are suggesting some gun control measure that could have an impact...what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 28 minutes ago, Tonik said: WTF. The possibility of something happening? Have you seen the news? It is happening, over and over again. We tried your way, which is to do nothing. Your way is a complete failure. Making new laws doesn't change the past, only possible futures. Have you seen truck attacks? Why don't we increase Mentally Ill Control.. again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 54 minutes ago, Tonik said: You prepare for a random car crash on the highway by having seatbelts, air bags and crash resistant cars. All federally mandated. And you don't run around saying cars dont kill people, people kill people. By that rationale, concert goers should be wearing bulletproof vests. The crash still happens, there's just more protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, motocat12 said: Making new laws doesn't change the past, only possible futures. Making no laws doesn't change the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 43 minutes ago, Tonik said: We tried your way, which is to do nothing. Your way is a complete failure. Umm, remember the Brady Bill? That was in effect for what, a decade? It was also shown statistically to have no impact on homicide rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, Tpoppa said: Umm, remember the Brady Bill? That was in effect for what, a decade? It was also shown statistically to have no impact on homicide rates. We are trying to address mass shootings here. Well at least some of us are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tonik said: We are trying to address mass shootings here. Well at least some of us are. Ok, and how are you trying to do that? And out of curiosity, why are mass shootings (which are a very small percentage of homicides) any more important than innocent people getting killed in other ways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: And out of curiosity, why are mass shootings (which are a very small percentage of homicides) any more important than innocent people getting killed in other ways? I said no such thing, and any implication that I did is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Maybe we ought to have more background checks. That’ll stop the crazies... https://apnews.com/64f685a189ed49a998efe3396ac176b9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: Umm, remember the Brady Bill? That was in effect for what, a decade? It was also shown statistically to have no impact on homicide rates. Let's review. I referenced overall homicide rates. 21 minutes ago, Tonik said: We are trying to address mass shootings here. Well at least some of us are. You said specifically "mass shootings." 15 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: Ok, and how are you trying to do that? And out of curiosity, why are mass shootings (which are a very small percentage of homicides) any more important than innocent people getting killed in other ways? I asked a reasonalbe question. 8 minutes ago, Tonik said: I said no such thing, and any implication that I did is a lie. Jim, I do believe you are talking in circles, while presenting no useful information whatsoever. So I'll ask for a 3rd time...what exactly are you suggesting? I am open to seeing what you have to say, but if you can't articulate your ideas, then stop wasting my time. Edited October 5, 2017 by Tpoppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Tonik said: Every Constitutional right has limits. Cant yell fire in a crowded theater. Cant get a late term abortion. The crowded theater example keeps coming up but it’s thoroughly unfitting. By analogy, one would ban words in the off chance someone will use them maliciously or even carelessly in public, and yes, that would indeed violate the first amendment as it is explicitly written to prevent it. For example, I abhor the historical horrors of socialism but I’ll defend to the end Bernie and Bro’s espousal of it, as the unintended consequences of removing his right to exercise that constitutional liberty is a more present authoritarian threat than the ultimate authoritarian outcome his ideas could bring. Similarly, the liberty implications and unintended consequences of most gun control proposals cannot simply be waved aside By the way, abortion isn’t explicitly canonized in the Constitution or the BoR, so that analogy doesn’t work either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, jschaf said: WTF? 59+ people dead, 500 people injured.. We've got to catch this shit before it happens. What would you suggest.??? Eliminate gun free zones and eliminate ccw restrictions. If one can legally purchase and own a gun he should be able to carry that gun wherever and wherever. That's a start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, MidgetTodd said: Eliminate gun free zones and eliminate ccw restrictions. If one can legally purchase and own a gun he should be able to carry that gun wherever and wherever. That's a start. Even still, to be fair and set expectations appropriately, nothing short of banning all access to guns, fertilizer, Rider trucks, planes, poisons, precursor materials and machetes is going to stop a determined murderer from taking a lot of people out before they’re killed. Imagine if this pilot had loaded explosives into a Cessna and initiated a (diverted) approach into the concert area? No guns are going to prevent that, short of a AAA battery perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 "A search into Paddock's car, which was parked at Mandalay Bay, revealed several cans of tannerite as well as 1,600 rounds of ammunition, Lombardo said Wednesday afternoon." oh wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, motocat12 said: "A search into Paddock's car, which was parked at Mandalay Bay, revealed several cans of tannerite as well as 1,600 rounds of ammunition, Lombardo said Wednesday afternoon." oh wow. Yikes. Maybe plan B was to drive into the crowd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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