Steve Butters Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 So per Google, ruger says no +P because there is no official rating for 380 +P and its for liability... Buffalo Bore claims extensive testing and online forums I see nothing but people who run it fine (even in LCP I)... Well shoot a little to function check it and then leave it in for carrying, but will keep in mind that Ruger doesn't suggest it... Thanks for the heads up, I didn't see anything convincing enough to swap it out for something else... Unless she hates the extra recoil, in which case I'll probably get her gold dots... Won't know until we get out to the range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) All this ammo talk got me Googling my ass off lol... Everybody real world experience says the +P is fine, but I keep reading "better safe than sorry" kind of stuff.... Then I started seeing a lot of debate about just using FNFMJ ammo in 380 for the penetration. I don't mind setting the +P ammo aside if it's truly no good, but I keep seeing people say it's all they will carry and then others who act like you'll lose a hand on the first round... It's very confusing And then this whole FMJ debate thing is mixed in and people make good arguments for that also. About to just leave the FNFMJ rounds in it and call it a day... Then she'd at least be able practicing with what she carries So.. I'm kinda debating between using the +P rounds I ordered, or just shelving them and leaving it full of the flat nosed rounds Thoughts? I've never even fired a 380, I'm a total noob lol Edited January 22, 2018 by Steve Butters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Let's put it this way. I can fire 357 magnum ok, but 38sp +P in a 38 revolver that isn't much lighter is a waste of my time. It shoots way too high and tries to twist out of my hand (one hand shooting). So my impressions of +P isn't real great. On the other hand, I load 45acp to the absolute max, just shy of overpressure & flatten the primer, and I'm completely ok with that. The weight of the pistol / revolver has a lot to do with this. And yeah, the strength of the shooter's grip. (And a in little part the shape and design of the weapon.) So find what ammo works for you and yours, with what you want to carry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Well? Didja take that thing to the desert and murder any beer cans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Not yet bubby... Was gonna take it out the next day but my step dad's truck broke down so I was helping him fix it... And we raged out last weekend ? probably go out 2 weekends from now and try it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 2:41 PM, Steve Butters said: All this ammo talk got me Googling my ass off lol... Everybody real world experience says the +P is fine, but I keep reading "better safe than sorry" kind of stuff.... Then I started seeing a lot of debate about just using FNFMJ ammo in 380 for the penetration. I don't mind setting the +P ammo aside if it's truly no good, but I keep seeing people say it's all they will carry and then others who act like you'll lose a hand on the first round... It's very confusing And then this whole FMJ debate thing is mixed in and people make good arguments for that also. About to just leave the FNFMJ rounds in it and call it a day... Then she'd at least be able practicing with what she carries So.. I'm kinda debating between using the +P rounds I ordered, or just shelving them and leaving it full of the flat nosed rounds Thoughts? I've never even fired a 380, I'm a total noob lol FMJ "ball" is good enough for the military, so it's good enough for me. I carry with high quality fmj target ammo. IMO, it cycles a bit more reliably than hallow points. Also, if you ever had to actually fire in self defense, a talented opposing counsel would try to paint you as a gun nut for using high end defense ammo like Black Talons....at least that is what I was told by an internal affairs officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Yea we decided to stick with the FMJ... The Buffalo Bore will just collect dust for awhile with the stash of 45 ammo I have (I don't own a 45 but have some ammo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence1 Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 4:59 PM, ReconRat said: one hand shooting Why not practice proper form and use both hands? It's like if you rode around using the rear brake only, in an emergency situation that's what you'll do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Lawrence1 said: Why not practice proper form and use both hands? It's like if you rode around using the rear brake only, in an emergency situation that's what you'll do. I've practiced one handed, both left and right, several styles, two handed, both left and right, several styles, sideways, upside down (really, who knows if it will fire upside down, I had one cheap pistol toss the slide off doing that, one shot and I was done), and even rolling across the ground. Personal preference is Weaver stance on strong hand. My last training scenario caught me off guard and not ready, used radio as a shield and brace, went nearly prone, and returned fire one handed. A sloppy 4 of 4. It happens. Also prefer point shoot, with a ton of practice, for it's quickness. Practice for me used to be 500 to 600+ 22lr to warm up, maybe 300-400 38sp target reloads, and couple hundred 45acp target reloads. Modified a Colt Commander so it would feed cheap lead semi-wadcutters flawlessly. Don't laugh, those expand to around .75 to .80 inch. But yeah, practice good form first, which is two hand control. Much more accurate. Just be aware that you might have your other hand busy, and be forced to deal with it. Last range time we were required to draw and return fire weak hand. Don't shoot yourself doing that. And no, I haven't practiced at all lately. I need to chose a few ranges down here in Florida and get busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence1 Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Nevermind Rat, I mistook you for a newbie. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 23 hours ago, Lawrence1 said: Nevermind Rat, I mistook you for a newbie. My bad. Not a problem. It was a valid question. And no, I don't know everything. Took me 40 years to learn a really good two handed grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Forgot about this source. Good info here. Especially difference between 2 inch and 4 inch barrels. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Checked out an LCP II last night. Waiting for butters to tell us how it shoots. Liked what I saw. It was on sale at Field & Stream for 279 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted February 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 We're trying to get out the weekend after this one... I have a final paper to write this weekend that's gonna take up all my time... I'l report back in 2wks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagineer Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Bought the LCP2 about a month ago ($230). Put about 50 rounds thru it at the range. So far, not very impressed. Lot's of stuck casings. I'm told it needs another 150 rounds to break in, and I probably need to stiffen the wrist. Trigger seems fine, but I'm also comparing it to a S&W Sigma .40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 That’s pretty unusual in my experience. Thoroughly clean the gun, ask a knowledgeable ammo seller what’s clean and run the slide at home a few hundred times before your next range date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 12:21 AM, Tpoppa said: Also, if you ever had to actually fire in self defense, a talented opposing counsel would try to paint you as a gun nut for using high end defense ammo like Black Talons....at least that is what I was told by an internal affairs officer. This is why I carry the same ammo as some of the police officers I know. Speer Gold-Dot and Federal HST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 hours ago, TimTheAzn said: This is why I carry the same ammo as some of the police officers I know. Speer Gold-Dot and Federal HST. If I ever had reason to defend my actions with a firearm, and I hope that never happens.... If asked what kind of ammo I used, I would say what ever was on sale at Wal Mart. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 I hope I'm never in the position ever to use my firearm against another living being period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, TimTheAzn said: I hope I'm never in the position ever to use my firearm against another living being period! shooting whistle pigs is good clean fun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted April 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Little thing shoots very nice.. Little snappy, but not bad. We only put 100rd through it and I didn't clean or lube it before hand I just took it out of the box and we shot it. She had 2 FTF. But she also was shooting very awfully at first. It shot fire for me. Not enough rounds through it yet to know if it was her grip or the gun but I'm leaning towards the first. I like it enough I'll be buying a second one for myself for when I'm wearing basketball shorts.. It's so light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted April 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Also... After a few mags and some adjustments she was much better with it... We're gonna get some more trigger time soon but I think it's going to end up being a very accurate little gun for her, much more so than the full size 9mm she's been lugging around (or not)... I'll report back if we run into any more feeding problems once it's cleaned lubed and she's got some more time with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Liked it so much we grabbed a second! Lol Steph got the extended mag for hers to give her a better grip, I went the opposite way and put the flat baseplate on mine but grabbed a hogue grip... The extension should help her grasp it better when shooting and the hogue will be nice for me to give it less slippery of a feel in my big paws... Surprisingly, the extended mag is only 7rd versus factory 6rd, despite looking much bigger...her whole hand fits on the grip now, mine doesn't fit either way that's why I'm sticking with the flat one to just tuck my pinky under 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted April 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 Also if you check one out at the store the mag release and slide catch feel awful... Have to press release to insert mag, slide won't pull and drop have to hit the release... After cycling it a few times at home and shooting Stephs it all broke in and runs smooth... I didn't notice the difference was so extreme until I had a new one and a less new one side by side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 Very cool. I go the “Steph” route except when I’m carrying in just a T shirt or need to pocket the gun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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