400 HO Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I think this guy is on to something.. I'm going to look into this more. I'm very interested in this product. http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=cfeb17de-d945-4db4-87a6-090911200e96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash1647545504 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Williams said his product, if it works as well as he claims, will serve as a bridge between the present and the time when the combustion engine is relegated to the scrap heap of history. Will not happen for a VERY long time, very long. Not even in my grand kids lifetime. Without the internal combustion engine, there will no longer be websites like this, you will somehow have to convince the BILLIONS of automotive enthusiasts, to give up their hobbies as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
400 HO Posted September 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I don't believe they want to REPLACE the internal combustion engine, just enhance it to get better fuel economy and better emissions. Imagine it's 1984 and there is this guy named Bill something or other trying to invent a machine that will replace all business machines and type writers and you invested in HIS company before he hit it big. Just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 The Gazette drove a 2000 six-cylinder Jeep Grand Cherokee equipped with an H2N-Gen prototype from Montreal to Cornwall and back. We set the cruise control at 102 kilometres per hour. The trip computer indicated that on the highway the car averaged about nine litres per 100 kilometres, which is more than 10 per cent below the manufacturer's mileage rating of 10.5. The combined city/highway mileage was slightly more than 11; the car is rated at 12.9. It may be great for emissions, but after reading this it looks like little was done for efficeny.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lustalbert Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 What's more, even after the hour-long drive from Montreal, the tailpipe was not hot. In fact, we could wrap our hand around it without getting burned. Williams claims this proves that hot polluting emissions are not coming out of the tailpipe. What? This defies all logic. The internal compustion engine is driven by the fact that fuel and oxygen react and create heat, increasing the pressure in the cylinder. This device chages the whole working of the engine and makes it no longer require heat to expand the gasses? Or does the exhaust gas just magicly disapate all of its heat without heating any of the pipes it is flowing through? In that case, maybe this it the miricale gure for high boost engines. Run a little hydrogen in your mix, the tempatures will drop and you will no longet hafto worry about melting a piston or frying a ring. Sounds a little to good to be true. And also, electolsis takes a good amount of voltage and curent to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. Maybe he has some miricale substance that accelerates the process, but you still need as much electrical energy into the system as the energy that is produced by the burning of the hydrogen (prepetual machine theory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 What? This defies all logic. The internal compustion engine is driven by the fact that fuel and oxygen react and create heat, increasing the pressure in the cylinder. This device chages the whole working of the engine and makes it no longer require heat to expand the gasses? Or does the exhaust gas just magicly disapate all of its heat without heating any of the pipes it is flowing through? No, your right, and to add to it Hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline. But what is happening, at least partly is the hydrogen, which is about the cleanest burning gas there is, actually is hot enough to burn off the hrdrocarbons inside the combustion chamber before it ever reaches the catalytic convertor, which incinerates the hydrocarbons that are in the exhaust gas. With the hyrdocarbons (unburnt fuel) no longer in the exhaust from the motor, the cat con never lights off. BTW, a cat con lights at about 500 to 700 degrees, which is why it's so close to the engine to begin with, once it's at operating temp it will run about 1600 degrees. At that temperature anything going through the cat con gets burnt up but the cat con does require some source of fuel to operate. Figuring that 12 to 18 inches from the exhaust manifold the gas temps are 700 degrees but 12 to 18 inches further down, they will drop to 400 degrees. By the time that the exhaust has gone through the muffler and the tail pipe, without the boost of heat the cat con would otherwise be giving the gasses, I don't really find it all that odd that the rear part of the exhaust would be 100 to 150 degrees (range of warm to hot and still touchable) The thing that I don't understand is that the OTTO cycle internal combustion engine design does work on the principle of converting heat into mechanical energy. Coupled to that the idea that gasoline is about 13000 BTU per pound and Hydrogen is about 60000 BTU per pound, I am puzzled that the motor's efficenvy and MPG didn't jump more than it did. The idea of running car engines on Hydrogen is nothing new. Hell there is a guy in Grove City that built a "water powered" dune buggy ran a VW bug motor. He was stripping apart distilled water and using the hydrogen to make the engine run. The real problem with this technology is that when you mention hydrogen automobile, people get one of two things come to mind. the Hindenburg or the H-Bomb. Until it can be proven to NOT blow sky high, no one will be the least bit interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lustalbert Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Just a thought on the btu per pound. Hydrogen is so damn light. a pound of it in gas form at atmospheric pressure and temp is how many cubic feet? Also, what rate or % are they injecting the h2 into the mix? Probably enough to satisfy the requirement for improving the emisions, but it would take a good sized unit and a fair amount of electrical power to make enough H2 to actualy replace gasoline as the primary fuel. As for the guy that was running his dune buggy on H2, what was he spending on the electricity to split the water? the energy has to come from somewhere, so it isnt like it is free energy.. Granted, big congrats to him for building a motor that ran on it instead of grenading. iIwonder if it would be posible to mix the h2 with some nitrogen or some inert gas to make it more stable. Also, what would this do to the burn rate once it is in the cylinder? And looking at the fact the cat is no longer burning, I can see that being posible. My car has no cats, and it is cooler at the tip than it was with the cat installed. p.s. tree huggers bite me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessOP Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 It may be great for emissions, but after reading this it looks like little was done for efficeny.... they're using liters per km. a lower number is better... a lot of cars do better (or worse) than the factory ratings. there's nothing scientific about their little test drive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recklessOP Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 It may be great for emissions, but after reading this it looks like little was done for efficeny.... they're using liters per 100 km. a lower number is better... a lot of cars will beat their factory fuel economy ratings cruising down the freeway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98fiveseven1647545503 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 that is very interesting im giong to have to look it up later on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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