Private pilot/Sport pilot?

[Akula]

Is anyone on the board a Pilot? Have you heard of the new Sport Pilot rating?

 

I am totally digging LSA since the new FAA ruling and really want to get one of these. http://www.indusav.com/info.html

[Science Abuse]

No.....no. Too slow and Lumbering.

Seek ye the Turbine Legend.

http://www.innovativewings.com/images/JohnCooktl.gif

750hp?

300+mph crusing speed?

400+mph top speed?

6500 FPM rate of climb?

190 deg per sec roll speed?

150mph straight up?

Yes please.

Its a minniature P51, but faster and more nimble. Put a chain gun on it and you'll have air superiority in 80% of the world nations.

Click the pic for vids.

 

Fo Shizzle or buy the kit

[Lustalbert]

http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/

 

Sport pilot rating is aimed at the ultralights mostly.

Eric, you need a regular private liscence for that plane, a high performance rating, and also a complex aircraft rating.

[Akula]

right but LSA isn't exactly ultra-light. 138MPH is faster than a Cessna 172 and you have to be Private Pilot to fly that.

 

I am looking for the least expensive route, I would like to fly to Minnesota and Florida whenever I want.

[Science Abuse]

http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/

 

Sport pilot rating is aimed at the ultralights mostly.

Eric, you need a regular private liscence for that plane, a high performance rating, and also a complex aircraft rating.

I thought Kits didn't require a standard pvt liscense?

 

The densions of the legend actualy make it a similar aircraft to the one listed above. A bit longer, but it has a shorter wingspan. And the rated range at 17,000/330mph is a little over 1000mi, that'll get you where you need to go, quickly and with only 1 stop.

[Lustalbert]

Kits normaly dont, but you are over the 200 HP limit, and it has a retractable gear.

[Science Abuse]

What am I bitching about? You could conquer the Luftwaffe with that plan, of course you need extensive liscensing.

[Lustalbert]

I have the 2005 far/aim, I am trying to find the requirements and limits for both, gona take a while though. The old liscence had something like a 50 knot top speed for recreational/sport rating, anything faster required a private. The high performance isnt speed based, but horsepower based. If you are going to be flying cross country, it would be better to have the private so you dont have the airspace limitations. Otherwise you will hafto go out of your way to aviod the airspace of any decent airport.

I would sugest bolton field, they have a private program. At OSU you hafto be a student in the program to get your private there.

I will inquire more with the missius when she gets back from don scott to get as much info as posible.

[Akula]

The whole point is that I can get a sport pilot ticket for $4300 in a weekend. That is what the new SP ticket is about, anyone can afford it. The new LSA classification is basically a smaller private plane that doesn't accomodate as many people. Ultralights were thrown in, but the plane I like isn't ultralight.

[Lustalbert]

Subpart D--Recreational Pilots

Subpart C, Index, Subpart E

Sec. 61.96 Applicability.

 

This subpart prescribes the requirement for the issuance of recreational pilot certificates and ratings, the conditions under which those certificates and ratings are necessary, and the general operating rules for persons who hold those certificates and ratings.

 

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Sec. 61.96a Eligibility requirements: General.

 

To be eligible for a recreational pilot certificate, a person who applies for that certificate must:

(a) Be at least 17 years of age;

(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language;

© Affix a signed and dated statement to the application certifying the person does not have any known medical limitations that prevents the person from operating the aircraft, for the aircraft category and class rating sought;

(d) Receive a logbook endorsement from an authorized flight or ground instructor who--

(1) Conducted the training or reviewed the applicant's home study on the aeronautical knowledge areas listed in Sec. 61.97(b) of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought; and

(2) Certified that the applicant is prepared for the required knowledge test.

(e) Satisfactorily accomplish the required knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas listed in Sec. 61.97(b) of this part;

(f) Receive flight training and a logbook endorsement from the authorized flight instructor who--

(1) Conducted the training on the approved areas of operation listed in Sec. 61.98(b) of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought; and

(2) Certified that the applicant is prepared for the required practical test.

(g) Meet the aeronautical experience requirements of Sec. 61.99 of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought;

(h) Satisfactorily accomplish the required practical test on the approved areas of operation listed in Sec. 61.98(b) of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought; and

(i) Comply with the sections of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought.

 

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Sec. 61.97 Aeronautical knowledge.

 

(a) General. A person who applies for a recreational pilot certificate must receive and log ground training from an authorized flight or ground instructor, or complete a home study course on the aeronautical knowledge areas of paragraph (b) of this section that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought.

(b) Aeronautical knowledge areas.

(1) The applicable Federal Aviation Regulations for recreational pilot privileges, limitations, and flight operations that apply to the aircraft rating sought;

(2) Accident reporting requirements of the National Transportation Safety Board;

(3) Use of the applicable portions of the "Airman's Information Manual" and FAA advisory circulars;

(4) The use of aeronautical charts for VFR navigation using pilotage with the aid of a magnetic compass;

(5) The recognition of critical weather situations from the ground and in flight, windshear avoidance, and the procurement and use of aeronautical weather reports and forecasts;

(6) The safe and efficient operation of aircraft, including collision avoidance, and recognition and avoidance of wake turbulence;

(7) The effects of density altitude on takeoff and climb performance;

(8) Weight and balance computations;

(9) Principles of aerodynamics, powerplants, and aircraft systems;

(10) Stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery techniques, if applying for an airplane-single engine rating;

(11) Aeronautical decision making and judgment; and

(12) Preflight action that includes:

(i) How to obtain information on runway lengths at airports of intended use, data on takeoff and landing distances, weather reports and forecasts, and fuel requirements;

(ii) How to plan for alternatives if the planned flight cannot be completed; and

(iii) Proper planning procedures for possible traffic delays.

 

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Sec. 61.98 Flight proficiency.

 

(a) General. A person who applies for a recreational pilot certificate must have received and logged ground training from authorized ground or flight instructor, and flight training from an authorized flight instructor on the approved areas of operation of this section that apply to the aircraft class rating sought.

(b) For an single engine airplane rating. Areas of operation for an airplane category rating with a single engine class rating are the following:

(1) Preflight preparation;

(2) Preflight procedures;

(3) Airport operations;

(4) Takeoffs, landings, and go-arounds;

(5) Performance maneuvers;

(6) Ground reference maneuvers;

(7) Navigation;

(8) Stalls and slow flight;

(9) Emergency operations; and

(10) Postflight procedures.

© For a helicopter rating. Areas of operation for a rotorcraft category rating with a helicopter class rating are the following:

(1) Preflight preparation;

(2) Preflight procedures;

(3) Airport and heliport operations;

(4) Hovering maneuvers;

(5) Takeoffs, landings, and go-arounds;

(6) Performance maneuvers;

(7) Ground reference maneuvers;

(8) Navigation;

(9) Emergency operations; and

(10) Postflight procedures.

(d) For a gyroplane rating. Areas of operation for a rotorcraft category rating with a gyroplane class rating are the following:

(1) Preflight preparation;

(2) Preflight procedures;

(3) Airport operations;

(4) Takeoffs, landings, and go-arounds;

(5) Performance maneuvers;

(6) Ground reference maneuvers;

(7) Navigation;

(8) Flight at slow airspeeds;

(9) Emergency operations; and

(10) Postflight procedures.

 

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Sec. 61.99 Aeronautical experience.

 

A person who applies for a recreational pilot certificate must accomplish and log at least 30 hours of flight training time that includes at least:

(a) Fifteen hours of flight training from an authorized flight instructor on the approved areas of operation listed in Sec. 61.98 of this part that consists of at least--

(1) Except as provided in Sec. 61.100 of this part, 2 hours of flight training to and at an airport that is located more than 25 nautical miles from the airport where the applicant normally trains, which includes at least 3 takeoffs and 3 landings; and

(2) Three hours of flight training in the aircraft for the rating sought in preparation for the practical test within the 60 days preceding the date of the practical test.

(b) Three hours of supervised PIC flying in the aircraft for the rating sought, on the approved areas of operation listed in Sec. 61.98 of this part that apply to the aircraft category and class rating sought.

 

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Sec. 61.100 Pilots based on small islands.

 

A person who applies for a recreational pilot certificate, is based and receives training on a small island that has only one airport, and who cannot comply with the distance requirements of Sec. 61.99(a)(1) of this part without flying over water for more than 10 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline is subject to the following limitations and conditions:

(a) The applicant's pilot certificate will be issued with the limitation, "Passenger carrying prohibited in flights more than 10 nautical miles from the (appropriate island)." (b) Upon meeting the distance requirements of Sec. 61.99(a)(1) of this part, the applicant may have the limitation in paragraph (a) of this section removed.

 

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Sec. 61.101 Recreational pilot privileges and limitations.

 

(a) A person who holds a recreational pilot certificate may:

(1) Carry no more than one passenger; and

(2) Share equally the operating expenses of a flight with a passenger, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, and airport expenses.

(b) A person who holds a recreational pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft on a flight that is within 50 nautical miles from the departure airport, provided that person:

(1) Received ground and flight training on takeoff, departure, arrival, and landing procedures at the departure airport;

(2) Received ground and flight training on the area, terrain, and aids to navigation that are in the vicinity of the departure airport;

(3) Has been found proficient to operate the airplane at the departure airport and the area within 50 nautical miles from that airport, and has received a logbook endorsement from the authorized flight instructor who gave the person the training prescribed by this paragraph; and

(4) Received a logbook endorsement that authorizes flight, which is carried in the person's possession in the aircraft.

© A person who holds a recreational pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft on a flight that exceeds 50 nautical miles from the departure airport, provided that person:

(1) Has received ground and flight training from an authorized flight instructor on the cross country training requirements of subpart E of this part that apply to the aircraft rating held;

(2) Has been found proficient in cross country flying, and has received a logbook endorsement from the authorized flight instructor, who gave the person the cross country training prescribed by subpart E of this part that apply to the aircraft rating held; and

(3) Received a logbook endorsement, which is carried in the person's possession in the aircraft, that certifies the person has received and been found proficient on the cross training requirements of subpart E of this part that apply to the aircraft rating held.

(d) Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this section, a recreational pilot may not act as pilot in command of an aircraft:

(1) That is certificated for more than four occupants, with more than one powerplant, with a powerplant of more than 180 horsepower, or with retractable landing gear.

(2) That is classified as a multiengine airplane, powered-lift, glider, airship, or balloon;

(3) That is carrying a passenger or property for compensation or hire;

(4) For compensation or hire;

(5) In furtherance of a business;

(6) Between sunset and sunrise;

(7) In airspace in which communication with air traffic control is required;

(8) At an altitude of more than 10,000 feet MSL or 2,000 feet AGL, whichever is higher;

(9) When the flight or surface visibility is less than 3 statute miles;

(10) Without visual reference to the surface;

(11) On a flight outside the United States;

(12) To demonstrate that aircraft in flight to a prospective buyer;

(13) That is used in a passenger-carrying airlift and sponsored by a charitable organization; and

(14) That is towing any object.

(e) A recreational pilot may not act as a required pilot flight crewmember on any aircraft for which more than one pilot is required by the type certificate of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted, except when:

(1) Receiving flight training from an authorized flight instructor on board an airship; or

(2) The other person on the aircraft is a required flight crewmember.

(f) A person who holds a recreational pilot certificate and has logged fewer than 400 flight hours and has not logged pilot-in-command time in an aircraft within the 180 days preceding the flight shall not act as pilot in command of an aircraft:

(1) Until the pilot received flight training and a logbook endorsement from an authorized flight instructor who gave that person the flight training, and the instructor certified that the person is proficient to act as pilot in command of the aircraft; or

(2) Unless the pilot has satisfactorily accomplished a combination of the requirements of Secs. 61.56 and 61.57 of this part, which meet the requirements of this paragraph.

(g) The recreational pilot certificate issued under this part will carry the notation on the person's pilot certificate, "Holder does not meet ICAO requirements." (h) A recreational pilot may operate an aircraft as the sole occupant in the conditions and in an aircraft described in paragraph (d) of this section, provided the pilot:

(1) Is under the supervision of an authorized flight instructor for the purpose of obtaining an additional certificate or rating;

(2) Has received, within the 90-day period preceding the date of the flight, a logbook endorsement from an authorized flight instructor and that endorsement must certify the pilot has met the appropriate aeronautical knowledge and flight training requirements listed in Sec. 61.87 of this part for the aircraft to be flown;

(3) Received within the 90 days preceding the date of the flight a logbook endorsement from an authorized flight instructor and that endorsement must certify the pilot is proficient to operate in that airspace, for operating an aircraft in airspace that requires communication with air traffic control;

(4) Received within the 90 days preceding the date of the flight, a logbook endorsement from an authorized flight instructor and that endorsement must certify the pilot is proficient to operate the aircraft in those flight conditions, for an operating an aircraft between sunset and sunrise, and provided the flight or surface visibility conditions are at least 5 statute miles; and

(5) Received a logbook endorsement described in this paragraph and carried in the pilot's physical possession in the aircraft.

 

 

Sorry for the long read. For flying around here, the sport would be fine, But cross country, I would certinaly look into geting the private. Perhaps get the sport rating for now, then work into the private as you get more comfortable and have time and cash to put into it.

[Akula]

Light-Sport Aircraft:

 

Maximum gross takeoff weight-1,320 lbs (599 kg.), 1,430 lbs for seaplanes.

Lighter-than-air light-sport aircraft maximum gross weight-660 lbs (300 kg.)

Maximum stall speed-51 mph (45 knots)

Maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous power (Vh)-138 mph (120 knots)

Two-place maximum (pilot and one passenger)

Single, non-turbine engine only, includes rotary or diesel engines

Fixed or ground adjustable propeller

Unpressurized cabin

Fixed landing gear, except for an aircraft intended for operation on water or a glider

Can be manufactured and sold ready-to-fly under a new Special Light-Sport aircraft certification without FAR Part 23 compliance. Aircraft must meet consensus standards. Aircraft under this certification may be used for sport and recreation, flight training, and aircraft rental.

Can be licensed Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft (E-LSA) if kit- or plans-built. Aircraft under this certification may be used only for sport and recreation and flight instruction for the owner of the aircraft.

Can be licensed Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft (E-LSA) if it was kit- or plans-built and operated as an ultralight trainers. Aircraft must be transitioned to E-LSA category no later than January 31, 2008.

Will have FAA registration-N-number.

Aircraft category and class includes: Airplane (Land/Sea), Gyroplane, Airship, Balloon, Weight-Shift-Control (Trike Land/Sea), and Powered Parachute.

U.S. or foreign manufacture of light-sport aircraft is authorized.

Aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate that meet above specifications may be flown by sport pilots. However, that airworthiness certification category will not be changed to a light-sport aircraft. Holders of a sport pilot certificate may fly an aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate if it meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft.

May be operated at night if the aircraft is equipped per FAR 91.209 and the pilot holds at least a Private Pilot certificate and a minimum of a third-class medical.

 

The Sport Pilot Rule:

A sport pilot may exercise flight privileges in one or more of the following aircraft categories:

 

Airplane (single-engine only)

Glider

Lighter-than-air (airship or balloon)

Rotorcraft (gyroplane only)

Powered Parachute

Weight-Shift control aircraft(e.g. Trikes)

The sport pilot rule:

 

Creates a new student sport pilot certificate for operating any aircraft that meet the definition of a light-sport aircraft.

Creates a new sport pilot flight instructor certificate.

Requires FAA knowledge (written) and practical (flight) test.

Credits ultralight training and experience toward a sport pilot certificate.

Credits sport pilot flight time toward more advanced pilot ratings.

Requires either a 3rd class FAA medical certificate or a current and valid U.S. driver's license as evidence of medical eligibility (provided the individual does not have an official denial or revocation of medical eligibility on file with FAA).

Does not allow carrying passengers for compensation or hire

Allows sharing ("pro-rata") operating expenses with another pilot.

Allows daylight (civil twilight) flight only.

Allow sport pilots to fly vintage and production aircraft (standard airworthiness certificate) that meet the definition of a light-sport aircraft.

Sport Pilot Flight Instructors:

The new sport pilot/light-sport aircraft rule:

 

Creates new sport pilot flight and ground instructor certificates.

Allows instructors to use ultralight exemption experience.

Allows conversion to sport pilot instructor status for ultralight instructors.

Allows current CFI's to train sport pilots.

Repairmen Certificates

The sport pilot/light-sport aircraft rule creates two new Light-Sport Repairmen certificate-with either a maintenance or inspection rating. To earn an FAA repairman certificate of any type, you must be:

 

At least 18 years old

Speak, read, and understand English

Demonstrate the requisite skill to determine whether an E-LSA or S-LSA is in a condition for safe operation

U.S. citizen or legal permanent resident for a Inspection rating-complete a 16 hour course on the inspection requirements of the particular class of light-sport aircraft;

for a Maintenance rating-complete a course - 120 hours (airplane category); 104 hours (weight shift or powered parachute); 80 hours (glider or lighter-than-air) -- on the maintenance requirements of the particular class of light-sport aircraft.

Other LSA Maintenance Options

The annual condition inspection on special light-sport airworthiness certificated aircraft--can be completed by:

 

An appropriately rated mechanic-that is, A&P

An appropriately rated repair station; or

A light-sport repairman with a maintenance rating.

Preventive maintenance can be performed by a certificated pilot (Sport Pilot rating or higher)

 

The annual condition inspection on experimental light-sport airworthiness certificated aircraft--can be completed by:

 

An appropriately rated mechanic-that is, A&P

An appropriately rated repair station; or

A light-sport repairman with a maintenance rating; or

A light-sport repairman with a inspection rating (only on your own aircraft).

No rating is required to perform maintenance on experimental light-sport airworthiness certificated aircraft.

[RedRocket1647545505]

http://www.viperjet.com <== I want one of these so bad. 40 roll anyone?

[Lustalbert]

That would be one hell of a fun toy. 180k, not to shabby for the performance.

[Science Abuse]

tits.....fucking tits.

[stealthmonkey]

http://www.viperjet.com <== I want one of these so bad. 40 roll anyone?

 

that is an extremely good deal and plane but the downfall to that is you have to have your Turbine rating and the price for that is up around 20,000 feet. lol.

[Lustalbert]

Something tells me if you have 180k to drop on a toy, you can probably afford the training to get the certificate. Or if by chance they where a pilot in the military....

Damn that makes me think about Warant Officer aviation.

[zeitgeist57]

The $185k doesn't include the powerplant. The recommended turbine is $85k.

 

Here in Naples (once I get out of debt ) I plan on getting my VFR rating. Takes 3 weeks and costs about $4700.

[Doug1647545489]

Private pilots license is on my to-do list after I graduate from college and get settled into a career.