92lx50 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 If your son or daughter died in a complete and total gun-related accident, would you find solace in the fact that there was a greater chance he or she would've died in an electrical fire or drowning in the bathtub or whatever? My point is that regardless of how relatively uncommon it is, without question I think we have a responsibility as citizens of a democratic nation to do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in our power to prevent any child from dying by gun-related accident. We should never be content to say "well, we've done enough" because until there are 0 children dying because of irresponsibility, there is always more we can do. I have two kids, both boys. Education is KEY. Because of how I make my living, there's no mystique to firearms in my house or place of work. They may as well be car parts, or kitchen knives, or scissors. Any time another kid spends time in my house, I've had to have conversations with parents about what I do for a living. Seeing a gun is so common in my circle, it's odd when they're not in view. Think about what you're saying for a minute. You can not legislate responsibility or morality. It's illegal for crack heads to prostitute their children for drugs, yet it happens every day. Personally, I think the solution in that exact situation is the death penalty for the parents, but that's a whole different topic. No matter what laws or penalties are passed, people will violate them. As others have already said, all firearms sold are legally required to be sold with trigger locks or some means of safe storage, and many localities require usage of the same. What's the solution? Prosecute the parents because they didn't properly secure their firearm? They are already involved in a tragedy and will live with the consequences of their actions forever. Actually, we don't live in democracy, it's a constitutional republic, BTW. There's a major difference. I see it as a personal responsibility issue, nothing more. This is primarily a performance car website. To use an analogy, if two guys get in an illegal street race with two 1000 rwhp cars, and one of them loses control of his vehicle and runs over a bus stop full of elementary school children, is the solution to ban or restrict all street cars with more than 200 hp? I don't believe so. They were already committing an act that is illegal. Use the laws that are already on the books and punish the offender to the fullest extent of the law. Because HE pulled a dumbass manuver doesn't mean YOU or I should be further restricted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92lx50 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I just realized I didn't answer your question......... If one of my sons died in a gun related accident, I wouldn't blame an inanimate mechanical object for the accident. I'd blame the other parties involved, just as if it was a traffic accident, or someone pushed them into a swimming pool and they accidently hit their head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfocus1647545489 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I'm in total agreement with 92lx50 More to the point of parents of kids that were killed with guns doing everything they can to prevent it happening to other kids... I think the ones that make it their mission to help increase gun control are among the rest of the "misguided" group. Certainly their heart is in the right place and they think it will do some good but I feel like none of the pro-gun control camp seems to take a minute to look at the big picture. I'll even say they make valid points at times, but the big picture isn't that guns killed your kid. The activists that have had personal tragedies, I think, are the ones that would benefit the most from some education. Education that could have done their kid some good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 92LX50 Thank you. Great first posts :thumbup: I agree 100% with you. Guns/Weapons are life less pieces of metal, springs, and other locking devices. People also blame alcohol for the same things. It wasn't the alcohol that wondered itself into you, it was a person that physically decided to drink that beverage. The judicial system loves to place blame on "things" and not people's actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92lx50 Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 92LX50 Thank you. Great first posts :thumbup: I agree 100% with you. Guns/Weapons are life less pieces of metal, springs, and other locking devices. People also blame alcohol for the same things. It wasn't the alcohol that wondered itself into you, it was a person that physically decided to drink that beverage. The judicial system loves to place blame on "things" and not people's actions. Redneck-Scott, Ditto on the alcohol thing. There really are so many good analogies between cars, alcohol, & guns I can't begin to name them. Back in the day, three different good buddies of mine murdered people with their cars. Yes, murdered by getting into fatal accidents while drunk. It wasn't the cars fault, It wasn't the alcohol, or the bar, or the party they were at, or the lack of a breathalizer ignition interlock factory installed on their car. THEY did it. Seriously, gun control isn't about inanimate metal objects....... it's about population control. An armed populace are citizens, an unarmed population are subjects. The whole foundation of American Politics is Thomas Jefferson's famous quote "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." People can pooh-pooh that concept all they want, but there's another famous saying about American politics and the four boxes of liberty "Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 The whole foundation of American Politics is Thomas Jefferson's famous quote "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Spoken by a true patriot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92lx50 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I stumbled onto some interesting statistics today that might make resurrecting this thread from the dead worthwhile: In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----- In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ----- China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated ------- Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminate d. ------Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms a re now up 30 0 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break- ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Allthat.jpg <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptn janks Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 gun control means using both hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturg1647545502 Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/en/summary_en.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/en/summary_en.pdf Cliffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Guns are merely a tool plain and simple. Again blaming guns for killing people is absolutely stupid. So in that case blame cars for killing people in accidents, Blame water for drowning people, blame McDonalds for killing fat people, and might aswell blame knives aswell for killing people. It's all human action, and human choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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