Kevin R. Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 This thread sucks dong. Email STS with your powerful knowledge and maybe they will stop selling these kits you hate so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 This thread sucks dong. Email STS with your powerful knowledge and maybe they will stop selling these kits you hate so much. i dont hate them, just cant stand their abuse of science for marketing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotrodmama024 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 i dont hate them, just cant stand their abuse of science for marketing... Maybe you should apply there, to help them market better then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Maybe you should apply there, to help them market better then! when STS has a car in rolex, irl, or indy i will do so gladly.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn1647545492 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 That car has a 6 page layout in Vette Magazine December 2007 issue. There is an RPM graph in there. From 4900 - 6700 rpm the car makes over 700rwtq that is as flat as a table. From 5100 and up the car makes 700rwhp all the way to 908.4 @ 6700rpm. Yes the car has some lag but I never race my car below 5000 rpm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 That car has a 6 page layout in Vette Magazine December 2007 issue. There is an RPM graph in there. From 4900 - 6700 rpm the car makes over 700rwtq that is as flat as a table. From 5100 and up the car makes 700rwhp all the way to 908.4 @ 6700rpm. Yes the car has some lag but I never race my car below 5000 rpm. what type of racing do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn1647545492 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 what type of racing do you do? Drag/Roll race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Drag/Roll race. would it be fair to say your normally at your powerband when the race starts? with the exception of launching, and theres really no dyanamics to it - just all in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn1647545492 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 would it be fair to say your normally at your powerband when the race starts? with the exception of launching, and theres really no dyanamics to it - just all in? With a turbo car not only can you start to build boost from a roll by break boosting but you can also use a 2-step from a dead stop, creating load/boost where there is normally none/little. Yes, I would say that you would be all in it and like i said before I am sure there more efficent kits but the STS kit does work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 i dont hate them, just cant stand their abuse of science for marketing... So why dont you become a BA or whatever in marketing as well and tell them how to market their stuff. Every sales dept has a bit of BS in their points of sales, i would know i am sales rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1647545489 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I'm not a STS fan and there are better budget ways to twin turbo an LS1 with flipped truck headers. I don't really care what someone does to their own car though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 With a turbo car not only can you start to build boost from a roll by break boosting but you can also use a 2-step from a dead stop, creating load/boost where there is normally none/little. Yes, I would say that you would be all in it and like i said before I am sure there more efficent kits but the STS kit does work. have you ever seen anyone brake boost coming out of an apex of a turn? that would be damn impressive. work is relavant. nitrous works, can make the same power, but you wouldnt see it on road course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 So why dont you become a BA or whatever in marketing as well and tell them how to market their stuff. Every sales dept has a bit of BS in their points of sales, i would know i am sales rep a bit? the bush administration could only have taken it as far as STS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn1647545492 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 have you ever seen anyone brake boost coming out of an apex of a turn? that would be damn impressive. work is relavant. nitrous works, can make the same power, but you wouldnt see it on road course? Like i said before i Drag race and roll race, I don't care about a road course. If I did then i would worry about lag and i would not want to build a 900rwhp car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Like i said before i Drag race and roll race, I don't care about a road course. If I did then i would worry about lag and i would not want to build a 900rwhp car. i didn't mean it as taunt, just trying to point out, numbers arent everything, and many have not experienced properly turboed cars, where throttle transients and response are critical... if numbers are numbers, what makes the same idea at 500-600hp any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 One of MTI's Z06's had a N20 set up for the Lap of America or whatever road race it was in. Spraying on the straights. Why wouldn't you use it on a road course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 One of MTI's Z06's had a N20 set up for the Lap of America or whatever road race it was in. Spraying on the straights. Why wouldn't you use it on a road course? For a Time Attack type event it's perfectly fine. For something that's running wheel-to-wheel for many laps at a time it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 One of MTI's Z06's had a N20 set up for the Lap of America or whatever road race it was in. Spraying on the straights. Why wouldn't you use it on a road course? economy, durability, etc... carrying speed through turns > speed on straights (which if you look at the history of one lap, was mainstream big hp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam1647545489 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I just ordered 6 STS rear mount turbo kits: 1-For the ls1 RX-7 2-2500HD Chevy pickup 3-F600 Dump truck 4-3500HD utility truck 5-New holland 650 bobcat 6-JCB 210S backhoe These are the greatest no lagging most efficient turbo kits ever made hence why I ordered so many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn1647545492 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 i didn't mean it as taunt, just trying to point out, numbers arent everything, and many have not experienced properly turboed cars, where throttle transients and response are critical... if numbers are numbers, what makes the same idea at 500-600hp any different? Have you ever owned a turbo car? Or driven/raced a turbo car? If I was worried about throttle transients and response I would build a high compression NA car. Have you even driven/own a car that make more than 400rwhp? I also know peak hp does not win a race; it's about power under the curve. Now that you are trying to go off on a completely different topic I will help guide you back. STS turbo kits serve their purpose and work great in a Drag race/Roll race environment, which is where most use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Have you ever owned a turbo car? Or driven/raced a turbo car? If I was worried about throttle transients and response I would build a high compression NA car. Have you even driven/own a car that make more than 400rwhp? I also know peak hp does not win a race; it's about power under the curve. Now that you are trying to go off on a completely different topic I will help guide you back. STS turbo kits serve their purpose and work great in a Drag race/Roll race environment, which is where most use them. yes to both questions - why can't an engine with a turbocharger have a linear output? Lingenfelter is a great example of a company that strives for it. you simply cant extract the same amount of power (under the curve) no matter what compression or rev limit doller per doller compared to a properly built turbo car. now we're adding a caveat that the application is for drag/roll racing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I just ordered 6 STS rear mount turbo kits: 1-For the ls1 RX-7 2-2500HD Chevy pickup 3-F600 Dump truck 4-3500HD utility truck 5-New holland 650 bobcat 6-JCB 210S backhoe These are the greatest no lagging most efficient turbo kits ever made hence why I ordered so many. http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsughugh.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 yes to both questions - why can't an engine with a turbocharger have a linear output? Lingenfelter is a great example of a company that strives for it. you simply cant extract the same amount of power (under the curve) no matter what compression or rev limit doller per doller compared to a properly built turbo car. now we're adding a caveat that the application is for drag/roll racing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat Im not smart what does caveat mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost-n-Juice Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I personally don't have the time in my day to read this entire thread, but there is one question that does come to mind. Does this Cougar guy have any friends on here? I know one thing, if I had your income at your age I sure hell would not be spending the majority of my free time on the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin R. Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I personally don't have the time in my day to read this entire thread, but there is one question that does come to mind. Does this Cougar guy have any friends on here? I know one thing, if I had your income at your age I sure hell would not be spending the majority of my free time on the net. No shit. I'd be so fucking drunk and probably have 9 kinds of STD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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