morabu Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10808 DAMN i would buy this in a minute if they sold it here from day 1 70mpg and all the benefits of diesel motors and electric motors i still do not understand why US automakers or the Gov't doesn't make a HUGE push toward diesel cars diesel/electric is so much better than gas/electric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 BTW, does the diesel engine charge the batteries or do you have to plug these car's in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10808 DAMN i would buy this in a minute if they sold it here from day 1 70mpg and all the benefits of diesel motors and electric motors i still do not understand why US automakers or the Gov't doesn't make a HUGE push toward diesel cars diesel/electric is so much better than gas/electric have you seen the price of diesel? I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Ok, so I can go 30 miles on one gallon of gas at $3.05 Or, 70 miles on one gallon of Diesel at $4.... yeah, I am not really good with math but diesel hybrid is a better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgbdbn Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Its worked in trains for years, its about time it comes to cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 meh...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 have you seen the price of diesel? I'll pass. Did you actually put any real thought into this statement? Using the VW provided, let's do a little math. Equivalent US Golf gets approx. 26 mpg Hybrid Golf - 69mpg Let's say for ease of use, current unleaded is $3/gal. Diesel is $3.35. Let's give the VW a 15gal tank. Now: US VW can go 390mi for $45 Hybrid VW goes 1035mi before fillup for $50.25 So, you're telling me that you're not willing to pay $5.25 more per tank of gas to drive an extra 645mi. Almost 3 times the distance of the US VW for $5 at tank?! How can you not justify it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRed Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I wouldn't mind one for a daily driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinHawk1647545499 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 dont some of the older diesel volks get like 50-60mpg without the hybrid crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I would say the only major deciding factor will be the cost of the diesel/hybrid vs the regular gas engine. If the package costs 6-7k more dollars then the gas version more be a little harder to justify the incresed cost. If you can get the diesel/electric for 1-3k more then the gas then hell yeah bring on the diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10808 DAMN i would buy this in a minute if they sold it here from day 1 70mpg and all the benefits of diesel motors and electric motors i still do not understand why US automakers or the Gov't doesn't make a HUGE push toward diesel cars diesel/electric is so much better than gas/electric Emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I would drive it...... :thumbup: KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morabu Posted February 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 if more diesels are made as the "de facto" for cars then the price of diesel will come down, the only reason the price is so high is because there is no real demand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Did you actually put any real thought into this statement? Using the VW provided, let's do a little math. Equivalent US Golf gets approx. 26 mpg Hybrid Golf - 69mpg Let's say for ease of use, current unleaded is $3/gal. Diesel is $3.35. Let's give the VW a 15gal tank. Now: US VW can go 390mi for $45 Hybrid VW goes 1035mi before fillup for $50.25 So, you're telling me that you're not willing to pay $5.25 more per tank of gas to drive an extra 645mi. Almost 3 times the distance of the US VW for $5 at tank?! How can you not justify it? If you're gonna do math, get it right. Lets say you drive 15,000 miles a year, which is pretty much average for any given car. To drive that much at 70 mpg you'd need about 215 gallons of gas, which at a diesel average cost of $3.35 equals $720.25 spent on gas over the course of the year. Now lets turn to the unleaded version. Driving 15,000 miles at 26 mpg requires roughly 575 gallons of gas. At 3 bucks a gallon, that's $1725, just about $1000 more a year spent on gas. Now consider that hybrid cars generally cost around 20% more than their normal counterparts, so lets say you're getting a BASE Rabbit at around $16k. Lets say for evenness's sake that the hybrid starts at $20k. With $4k difference, you've got to be averaging 70mph for 4 straight years before you break even. I'll choose the "gas guzzler" instead of investing in a temporary solution (hybrid technology) that will be replaced either by full-electric or hydrogen cell motors in the next ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 the only reason the price is so high is because there is no real demand for it. You are right. Semi's run on air. KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=457882 screw the hybrid crap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 69 all the time ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGRE Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 have you seen the price of diesel? I'll pass. basic math owns you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Emissions. Volkswagen is looking to bring the two camps together and will unveil a diesel-electric hybrid version of its popular Golf hatchback (known as the Rabbit here in the U.S.) in Geneva. According to the German automotive giant, the Golf Hybrid will achieve 83.9 MPG (Imperial gallons) which is roughly 69.9 MPG here in the U.S. Carbon dioxide emissions are also limited to just 89g/km. The diesel engine used in the Golf Hybrid meets all Euro 5 emissions criteria and also passes the stringent Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards here in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGRE Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 You are right. Semi's run on air. KillJoy actually it's true, diesel fuel is a byproduct of the refining petrolum. When we refine petroleum for gasoline we are making diesel fuel as well. because the the ratio of tractor trailers vs. gasoline cars is so low, our usage does not even come close to the using what diesel fuel we produce. So we end up selling it to other countries on the cheap, because we have a surplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 If it comes to the US I want one for a DD. I wonder how hard it is to get kids in and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturg1647545502 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 basic math owns you. as well as tax incentives http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/07/29/138755.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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