boosted98gst Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Think of the Top Gear "Cool Wall" in this situation. The STI and EVO are only cool if a hot girl drives them, otherwise you look like a young whipper snapper. The Dodge, is, well, just no. I've driven a Mazdaspeed3 before, and while fun, it has no soul. The R32 sounds amazing and is fun, but way overprices. By this logic, the GTI is the winner, but only if you get a newer one. ...in the end, if it were me, though, I'd get the STI over an older GTI. I do not know anyone thats under 20 with an evo unless mommy or daddy bought it for them. Performance can not be beat with an evo or sti hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Ummm The gti your talking Crank HP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I do not know anyone thats under 20 with an evo unless mommy or daddy bought it for them. Performance can not be beat with an evo or sti hands down. Not sure why both you and the guy before you thought "under 20 or 21" but I was just speaking figuratively of how the EVO and STI have somewhat become a fantasy of young guys rather than a true performance car desired for its performance purposes. I think it's much more prevalent in the EVO than the STI, if at all. The new EVO, however, is much more mature and "aged-wine" looking. That may have somewhat to do with price, but it seems to hit the spot much more than the EVO IX or whatever the previous number was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2highpsi Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I was just speaking figuratively of how the EVO and STI have somewhat become a fantasy of young guys rather than a true performance car desired for its performance purposes. I'm not following ya. People that buy Evos buy them for one purpose, Performance. And the new Evolution X is more "refined" thats why they aren't selling. People that want "refined" don't buy Evos. CT9As (Evo 7,8,&9) are built to go fast and turn well, period. btw, speaking in terms of performance name another car on that list that has gone 9s, full bodied, full interior, no nitrous, street car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I'm not following ya. People that buy Evos buy them for one purpose, Performance. And the new Evolution X is more "refined" thats why they aren't selling. People that want "refined" don't buy Evos. CT9As (Evo 7,8,&9) are built to go fast and turn well, period. btw, speaking in terms of performance name another car on that list that has gone 9s, full bodied, full interior, no nitrous, street car. *sigh* Again, I'm speaking figuratively of the soul of the car. People buy EVOs for performance, obviously, but they ARE buying it because it's an EVO. They want the name and image associated with it. I'm not bashing it and I'd love to have one and capable of it, but that's just the vibe I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2highpsi Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Okay, now I know what you are saying. And yes I agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Used 2008 R32's can be had for about 26-27K with about 5k miles on them. I would get the R32. Amazing car, great DD, in a comparison with new EVO and STI, 2/3 test drivers prefered the R32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2highpsi Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 If you are looking at the new ones here's Car and Driver comparison: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/hatchbacks/subaru_wrx_sti_vs_mitsubishi_evo_gsr_vs_vw_r32_comparison_test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I heard that today too. Saw the new Mazda 6 too. Hell of a sharp ride. Tempting too. Subi may as well upgrade it as most are bumping the power aftermarket wise anyway. I talked with the guys at Auto Assets today regarding mods for the VW. Seems they way I'd want it it will cost about $2,300 in mods. That's a software flash, Intake, Turbo back exhaust. Bumps it up to about 260hp at the wheels. Add in another $750 for a full front mount intercooler. Not bad bump. Not sure what she'll run like then, but $3k is a chunk of change that my initial thoughts are inclined to throw towards another choice. The bummer is I priced one out fairly well loaded without the Navi and she topped out at over $31k and they weren't real keen on dealing at MAG. I wasn't pushing it, but honestly for $31k, while it's a nice car, certainly one of more dressed up ones, I'm going 1-2 year old EVO or STi and still have $2-$3k in my pocket. In reality, the MS3 may be the best deal overall. I can always do a turbo back and front mount intercooler if needed. The new WRX is getting upgraded to something like 250HP for next year. The me that wouldn't be bad on the budget, it would have good power, AWD, and I think it's a good looking sedan. The MS3 is a great car. It's a hair cheaper than the Caliber SRT4 and is a great all-around car. The Caliber can be fun to drive, has more aggressive looks, and similar interior space. While the GTI would get the best MPG and is a great all-around car too. It might have less interior space if it's a 2-door hatch, but that's up to you if you need the room. Personally, I would love an Evo, but I think they're way over priced. For that price I would get a new CTS and save the rest of my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I would buy CPO used if you are thinking of the GTI. I got my 2006 GTI in 2007. It was CPO, 14k miles, 18" wheels, DSG, Package 1(sunroof and sirius), rubber mats, trunk liner=$26,000 exactly NEW sticker, I got it for $19,750. You can get just as good of a deal now, 1 year old car, loaded, for many thousands off.......... And Auto Assets is smoking crack......You wont be at 260WHP with stg 2. You will have at most 240 WITH a FMIC. TQ however will be over 300. You can find used exhausts/DP's for under 1k, a chip will be about 650, Intakes do nothing for performance, you will need a Diverter Valve=300ish, and a PCV fix=100ish, and FMIC is about 1000. So you are right with the 3k, but a little different way of getting there. Hope this helps. Look at the R32, can be had for about 25-27k with under 5k miles on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 And you also wont be paying even close to sticker on a GTI new, people have been getting NEW R32's for under 30k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 LEgacy GT + uppipe 240whp+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ej20_ftw Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 + 1 LGT. It's a really nice DD. I have a 08 STI. It's a base model and I paid around 33K brand new three months ago. EDIT: I'm pretty sure you can get the base model even cheaper now since they are going to launch the 09 model in like four months (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Raw HP potential should not be the great decider. Test drive each candidate and really get a feel for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosted98gst Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Raw HP potential should not be the great decider. Test drive each candidate and really get a feel for them. this is the truth , take one weekend to go out and test drive all of them, its going to be hard to fine evo and sti's at used lots tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Speed S4 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 LEgacy GT + uppipe 240whp+ +1 or evo or sti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleskate Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 My guess is that the Speed would get the best mileage out of the bunch (fwd, lighter; vdubs are generally chunky) and as previously mentioned is responsive to bolt ons. I think as far as practicality is concerned stick with the Speed or one of the Volkswagens. Price goes to the Speed3 for sure (new vs. new) unless you find an older evo for cheap? The good thing is that they are all fucking nice cars so you can't lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar231 Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 One thing that sucks ass about wrxs/stis. THE CUP HOLDERS!!! There right in below the ac vents, and you cant keep a drink cold for the LOVE OF GOD. Its ridicolous. This is on the 04-05 models though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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