Something else to make people bitch

[87GT]

There will be no cliff notes. You will read the following and give a response. It took some time to put this together. HTML seems to be quicker then the language this forum wants. My point is it doesn't matter what the current or future (president nominees) say to you now. Everyone lies to make them look better then they really are.

 

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"I don´t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into World Trade Centre."

 

-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice

 

"There were lots of warnings."

-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

 

"No warnings."

-Press Secretary Ari Fleischer

 

"Your government failed you, and I failed you."

 

-White House Advisor Richard Clarke

 

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March 13th, 1962.

Lyman Lemnitzer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff presents a proposal to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, named Operation Northwoods.The document proposed staging terrorist attacks in and around Guantanamo Bay, to provide a pretext for military intervention in Cuba.

 

The plans included:

 

1. Starting rumors about Cuba using clandestine radio.
   
2. Landing friendly Cubans inside the base to stage attacks.
   
3. Starting riots at the main gate.
   
4. Blowing up ammunition inside the base, starting fires.
   
5. Sabotaging aircrafts and ships on the base.
   
6. Bombing the base with mortar shells.
   
7. Sinking a ship outside the entrance, staging funerals for mock victims.
   
8. Staging a terror campaign in Miami, Florida and Washington, DC.
   
9. Finally, destroying a drone aircraft, over Cuban waters.
   

 

The passengers, federal agents in reality, would allegedly be college students on vacation. A plane at Eglin Air Force Base would be painted and numbered as a duplicate of a registered civil aircraft belonging to a CIA front in Miami. The duplicate would be substituted for the real plane and loaded with the passengers. The real plane would be converted into a drone. The two planes would randezvous south of Florida. The passenger laden plane would land at Eglin Air Force Base to evacuate its passengers and return to its original status. The drone would pick up the scheduled flight plan and over Cuban waters transmit a "mayday signal" before being blown up by remote control. The plan was rejected by McNamara, and President John F. Kennedy personally removes Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

 

December 1st, 1984.

A remote-controlled Boeing 720 takes off from Edwards, Air Force Base, and is crash-landed by NASA for fuel research. Before its destruction, the plane flew a total of 16 hours and 22 minutes, including 10 takeoffs, 69 approaches, and 13 landings.

 

August, 1997.

The cover of FEMA's "Emergency Response to Terrorism" depicts the World Trade Center in crosshairs.

 

February 28th, 1998.

The Global Hawk, Raytheon's Unmanned-aircraft-vehicle, completes its first flight over Edwards Air Force Base in California, at an altitude of 32000 feet, cruising altitude for a commercial jetliner.

 

1999.

NORAD begins conducting exercises in which hijacked airliners are flown into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

 

June, 2000.

The Department of Justice releases a terrorism manual, with the World Trade Center in crosshairs.

 

September, 2000.

The Project for a New American Century, a neo-conservative think-tank whose members include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz releases their report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defences." In it, they declare that " the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, " " is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - " " like a new Pearl Harbor. "

 

October 24th, 2000.

The Pentagon conducts the first of two training exercises called MASCAL, which simulate a Boeing 757 crashing into the building. Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participates in this exercise before retiring to take a job at American Airlines, where, less than a year later, his Boeing 757 allegedly crashes into the building.

 

April, 2001.

NORAD plans an exercise in which a plane is flown into the Pentagon, but is rejected as "too unrealistic".

 

June, 2001.

The Department of Defense initiates new instructions for military intervention in the case of a hijacking. It states that for all non-immediate responses, the Department of Defense must get permission directly from the Secretary of Defense. Attorney General John Ashcroft begins flying on chartered jets, for the remainder of his term, due to a "threat assessment" by the FBI.

 

July 4th, 2001.

Osama Bin Laden, wanted by the United States since 1998 receives medical attention at the American Hospital in Dubai, where he is visited by a local chief of the CIA.

 

July 24th, 2001.

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Larry A. Silverstein, who already owned World Trade Center 7, signs a 3.2 billion dollar, 99-year lease on the entire World Trade Center complex, six weeks before 9-11. Included in the lease is a 3.5 billion dollar insurance policy specifically covering acts of terrorism.

 

September 6th, 2001.

3,150 put options are placed on United Airlines' stock. A put option is a bet that a stock will fall. That day, put options were more than 4 times its daily average. Bomb sniffing dogs are pulled from the World Trade Center, and security guards end two-weeks of 12 hour shifts.

 

September 7th, 2001.

27,294 put options are placed on Boeing's stock, more than 5 times the daily average.

 

September 10th, 2001.

4,516 put options are placed on American Airlines, almost 11 times its daily average. Newsweek reports that a number of top Pentagon brass cancel their flight plans for the next morning. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a phone call warning him not to fly the next morning. Pacifica Radio later reveals that this phone call came directly from National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice. And in Pakistan, at a military hospital, all of the urologists are replaced by a special team, in order to host their guest of honor, Osama Bin Laden, who is carefully escorted inside to "be watched carefully and looked after".

September 11th, 2001.

The National Recognisance Office in Chantilly, Virginia is preparingfor an exercise in which a small corporate jet crashes into their building. NORAD is in the middle of a number of military exercises. The first, "Vigilant Guardian", is described as "an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide". The second, "Northern Vigilance", moved fighter jets to Canada and Alaska to fight off an imaginary Russian fleet. Three F-16s from Washington DC's National Guard at Andrews Air Force Base, 15 miles from the Pentagon, are flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina. This left 14 fighter jets to protect the entire United States.

 

September 11th, 2001. around 8:30 a.m.

" Hi, Boston Center TMU, we have a problem here " " we have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York " " and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out. " " Is this real or exercise? " " No, this is not exercise, not a test. " " Do we wanna think about scrambling an aircraft? " " Oooh, God I don't know. " " That's a decision somebody's gonna have to make probably in the next 10 minutes. " " Uh, yeah, you know, everybody just left the room

 

 

 

POST TO BE CONTINUED BELOW GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES....

[87GT]

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION

 

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Hunter S. Thomson

 

" The first question I have is basically to get from you a sense of " " how you would rate the american media in their coverage of the events of the attack in September 2001? "

 

[Hunter S Thomson] " Well let's see eehmmm, shamefully is a word that comes to mind " "But overall, the American journalism was cowed, " " and intimidated by the this massive flag-sucking, this patriotic, orgy... " " you know if you're criticizing the president it's unpatriotic and there's something wrong with you and you may be a terrorist..."

 

" So, so in that sense, there's not enough room for dissenting voices? "

 

[Hunter S Thomson]" Well, there's plenty of room, just not enough people willing to take the risk. " " It's sort of a herd mentality a lemming-like mentality. " " if you don't go with the flow you're anti-american and therefore a suspect. " " You sort of wonder, when something like that happens, " " who stands to benefit? Who had the opportunity and motive? " " You just gotta look at this basic things. " " I don't assume that I know the truth about what went on that day. " " And yeah, I just look around looking for " " who had the motive, who had the opportunity, who had the equipment, " " who had the will... " " I've spent enough time on the inside, well the White House, and, you know campaigns, " " and I've known enough of the people who do these things, " " to know that, the public version of the news, of an event, is never really what happened. " " And these people I think are willing to take that even further. "

 

" It seems a very long bow to me, but are you sort of suggesting that this worked in a favor of the Bush administration? "

 

 

[Hunter S Thomson]" Oh absolutely, ... absolutely. "

 

FACTS ABOUT WTC

 

"There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. There was another explosion. And another. I didn´t know where to run."

 

-Teresa Vellz, working on the 47th floor of the North Tower when Fllight 11 hit.

 

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9:59. New York City, New York. The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses to the ground in approximately 10 seconds. 29 minutes later the North Tower follows suit, collapsing in approximately 10 seconds. Later that evening at 5:20, WTC 7, a 47 storey office building 300 feet away from the North Tower, suddenly collapses. The building's tenants included the CIA, Department of Defense, IRS, Secret Service and Rudy Giuliani's emergency bunker. And the SeC was using it to store 3 to 4 thousand files related to numerous Wall Street investigations. Although every single building surrounding Building 7 stood intact, it fell straight down, into a convenient little pile, in 6 seconds.

 

[Official explanation???]Falling debris from the Twin Towers created an internal fire, which ignited several fuel tanks inside the building.

 

[investigation!!!]If this is true, then it would be the third building in history to collapse because of a fire. The first two would be the Twin Towers.

CONSIDER THIS

On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 bomber lost in the fog crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building. 14 people dead, 1 million dollars in damage. But, the building stands intact to this day.

 

On May 4th, 1988, a 62 storey skyscraper in Los Angeles burned for 3 hours and spread over 4 floors. It did not collapse.

 

On February 23rd, 1991, a 38 storey skyscraper in Philadelphia, built in 1973, burned for more than 19 hours and spread over 8 floors. It did not collapse.

 

On October 17th, 2004, a 56 storey skyscraper in Venezuela, built in 1976, burned for over 17 hours and spread over 26 floors, eventually reaching the roof. Guess what? It did not collapse.

 

On February 12th, 2005, the Windsor Building in Madrid, a 32 storey tower framed in steel reinforced concrete, burned for almost 24 hours, completely eradicating the upper 10 stories of the building. Although the top 10 floors of the building fell, the building itself did not collapse.

 

And yet on September 11th, 2001, two 110 storey skyscrapers, completed in 1973, burned for 56 minutes and 103 minutes respectively, over 4 floors, before collapsing completely to the ground.

 

Let's look at, what were the two towers made from.

The Twin Towers were composed of 200,000 tons of steel, 425,000 cubic yards of concrete, 103 elevators, 43 600 windows, 60 000 tons of cooling equipment, and a 360 foot television antenna. The core of each tower was 87 by 133 feet, comprised of 47 box columns 36 by 16 inches thick.

 

And to think... the government want have us believe that these massive structures were destroyed by 10 000 gallons of jet fuel. However, eyewitnesses, video footage and a little common sense quickly refutes that claim.

 

So what brought down the World Trade Center? Let's ask the experts.

 

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Van Romero. Vice President for Research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.

" My opinion is, based on the videotapes, after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center " " there were some explosive devices inside that caused the towers to collapse. " " The collapses were too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures. "

 

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Hyman Brown. Civil Engineering Professor and the World Trade Center's construction manager.

" It was over-designed to withstand almost anything including hurricanes, high winds, bombings and an airplane hitting it... " " Although the buildings were designed to withstand "a 150-year storm" and the impact of a Boeing 707 "

 

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Kevin Ryan. Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel that was used in the World Trade Center.

" We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. " " The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. " " And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. " " Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel " " will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F. "

 

Days after writing this letter, Kevin Ryan was fired from his position.

 

 

TO BE CONTINUED BELOW

[87GT]

So what else could have caused the Twin Towers and Building 7 to collapse?

 

" Almost looks like one of those planned implosions. "....." As if a demolition team set off, when you see the whole demolitions of whole buildings. "....." We heard another explosion and I'm assumingthat's the one that came from the lower level. "....." Well... this is, no the first, the first explosion and there was the second explosion in the same building. "....." There were 2 explosions. "....." Federal Agencies that were down there do believe that there was some sort of explosive device "....." but there was another explosion which took place "....." There were two or three similar huge explosions and the building "....." ...big explosion happened, all of a sudden the elevator blew up, smoke, I dragged the guy out, his skin was hanging off, "....." Big Explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor. "....." Just came out of the tunnel, and it blew. "....." there was some sort of collapse, or explosion. "....." To me it sounded like, to me it sounded like an explosion..."....." We heard a big explosion coming down. "....." and there was a big explosion, and everything got dark. Real dark like smoke. "....." Tower number one just ah we saw some kind of explosion a lot of smoke come out of the top "....." just seconds ago there was a huge explosion"....." saw about six of these flashes, accompanied by a crackling sound before the Tower collapsed."......

 

So, what happened in the North Tower?

 

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Willy Rodriguez. Janitor who worked in the World Trade Center for 20 years

[Willy Rodriguez]" And all of a sudden we heard boom! "" And I thought it was a generator that blew up in the basement. "" And I said to myself: Oh my God, I think that's the generator. "" And I was going to verbalize it, and when I finished saying that in my mind, I hear boom! "" Right on the top. Pretty far away. "" And thats..., everybody started screaming. And a person comes running into the office saying: Explosion, explosion, explosion! "" He had his hands extended. And all the skin was falling from under his arm. "" All the way to the top of the fingertips. And it was hanging from both arms. ""Hanging and hanging. And then I looked at his face and he was missing parts of his face. "" When I..., there were many explosions, and when I actually talked about those explosions, they said that: "" Well, there were so many kitchens in the building. "" They have probably those gas canisters. "" And I say: I don't believe that, because the buildingwas a class A building. "" They have very strict guidelines of what you can put in a kitchen. "" And I really doubt it was gas. "

FDNY transmissions from the World Trade Center on 9-11.

 

" I got, uh, an eyewitness who said there was an explosion on floors 7 and 8, 7,8. "" Battalion 3 to Dispatch, we've just had another explosion. "" ...Warren Street, because of the secondary explosion. "" We've got numerous people covered with dust from the secondary explosion. " " We got another explosion on the Tower, 10-13, 10-13. "" Tower 2 has had a major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse surrounding the entire area. "" I was involved in the secondary, uh, explosion at Tower 1, Kay..."

 

What does science have to say about the collapses?

 

The collapse of the World Trade Center was picked up by Columbia University's observatory in Palisades, New York.

 

The South Tower registers at 2.1 earthquake.

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The North Tower registers at 2.3 earthquake.

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Do you still think that jet fuel brought down the World Trade Center?

 

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[Guest Hal]

I stopped reading half way through the first page. Go take a course and learn how to identify bias in writings.

 

This is the kind of half-assed "research" that makes me sick to my stomach. You're probably the kind of retard that buys into this because, it supports your drug filled dreams/nightmares about the world.

[Guest Hal]

BTW- Leading researchers have stated that jet fuel did not take down the towers. How about you learn a little about structural engineering also.

 

I'm ashamed you people are citizens of the same country as me.

[hot_wire]

This part is really interesting

September 10th, 2001.

4,516 put options are placed on American Airlines, almost 11 times its daily average. Newsweek reports that a number of top Pentagon brass cancel their flight plans for the next morning. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a phone call warning him not to fly the next morning. Pacifica Radio later reveals that this phone call came directly from National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice. And in Pakistan, at a military hospital, all of the urologists are replaced by a special team, in order to host their guest of honor, Osama Bin Laden, who is carefully escorted inside to "be watched carefully and looked after".

 

Still waiting for sources though...

[justinwebb]

so what about the people that died on the airplanes did they just move them to Antarctica?

[rch10007]

I stopped as soon as I read that a plane that took off 10 times, landed 13.

[Conesmasher]

These claims give TOO much credit to the government. Way too much.

[thorne]

9/11 truthers are roflopters

[87GT]

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[yellowsnake]

I stopped as soon as I read that a plane that took off 10 times, landed 13.

 

 

that is some funny shit. lol.

[GonneVille]

I've said it so many times that it is beginning to be reflex; There is no possibility, NONE, that the American government could cover up an operation the size of what would be needed to pull off 9/11. The cooperation of several hundred individuals would be needed, and eventually, someone with access to documentation would have an attack of conscience.

But 19 individuals acting in concert could easily accomplish an attack like that under the conditions of the day.

Occam's Razor, dude, look it up.

[Kevin R.]

Too soon?

 

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[Sparky]

That is wayyyy too long. Got the cliffs from the replys.

[Kevin R.]

That is wayyyy too long. Got the cliffs from the replys.

 

I summarized it.

[Scotty2Hotty]

#1.) No way shape or form was that a "planned" implosion on a building. Since the building is made of mostly re-inforced steel beams, it would take the equivalent of C4 (Comp B, PETN etc.) to actually cut the beams. Since C4 is mainly a cutting charge, there would have been a large amount used. Being that I know C4 like my hand, C4 (and equivalents) give off a flash before you hear the boom. At no time did I ever see any flashes coming from inside the building. I've done everything from exploding structures, to imploding structures. Same result is, primary flash before a sound is ever heard.

 

#2.) Look at how the buildings fell. The sheer weight from the top caused it to fall in upon itself. Both of the planes were damn near full of fuel when they hit. I believe it took atleast closer to an hour before any building fell. Now when you place jet fuel, on top of extremely flammible objects like wood, paper, carpet etc.. I have a feeling that fire was fed well above the 2000F mark.

 

#3.) Sounds like that fag Michael Moore. To even think our country would do a thing like this, is unspeakable. I won't comment any further on this.